Did Ben Solo use "The Skywalker Saber"?

Good question. It's definitely a plausible assumption he's used the Skywalker saber.

I think this too is a plausible assumption and can see this being the case here. I enjoy the force-back scene in TFA for many reasons (cinematography, theatric mystery, story-telling utility etc) yet it does beg some serious and mysterious questions about Force sentience and Force Object memory.

We know Yoda alluded to the possibility of The Force controlling ones actions during Luke's training. Does the lightsaber end up in Rey's hands during TFA's duel because she is stronger in The Force or because the saber/crystal resonates with her conscious intent, her lineage, or does it "choose" her for unknown reasons?

Unfortunately, suspending my disbelief in order to immerse myself in this story also inevitably includes questioning why Luke didn't have a similar vision involving Anakins duels/slaughters when he first touched the weapon - despite knowing the logical film-making answer!

I see how it's possible to come to that conclusion but can also see other possible explanations. BRen seems proficient enough at constructing (bypassing?), maintaining and utilising a lightsaber that doesn't seem to have any combat deficiencies against the "Skywalker" weapon. Perhaps he didn't want KOR weilding sabers for whatever reason and perhaps the cracked red crystal, unstable beam and obsolete design were asthetic/metaphorical choices made by a character with a penchant for dark relics. (I'm unfamiliar with the canon outside the movies and TV series so could be missing things here.)

I too am stoked with this ↑ creative decision.

 

Not quite, it was expanded upon and explained better in the prequel trilogy. It merely guides one's actions; this is why force wielders can be defeated in a duel and certain others can expertly predict the future. Palpatine is a prime example of the latter. He was extremely gifted in precognition, this is what allowed him to work his way up to ruler of the galaxy. But as Yoda said, always in motion the future is. He was not able to predict everything, including Maul's return and his death. Remember what Qui-Gon Jinn said? Jedi seem to have great reflexes because they can see stuff before it happens. In certain cases, one with a powerful enough connection can pull off extraordinary force stunts: Anakin with the podrace, and Rey with her lightsaber duel. Both required the wielder to have prior experience with that, or a similar task to pull it off though.

Rey is possibly psychometric like Quinlan Vos. Psychometrics can learn information by touching an object. They experience visions of the last one to touch the object, and thus are more susceptible to joining the dark side as they experience the previous possessor's emotions at the time as well. Count Dooku took advantage of this trait in order to break Vos and turn him dark for a period.

 

I agree. I have speculated for awhile that Ben may have at the saber. I think the solute you referenced does hint towards it

 

It turns out I based that claim about The Force controlling actions on a canon reference that doesn't seem to exist! I assume "guiding" still implies some level of conscious intent by the thing doing the guiding but can't easily find a reference to The Force guiding actions either so I'll just forget about it. I don't find the idea of The Force being sentient or having a Will particularly attractive but don't really have a strong opinion either way.

So it's a particular gift/trait that Rey (and perhaps BRen) has a predisposition for. Cheers for the info.

 

@Alex Sebire @Moral Hazard i believe Pablo said something about how Rey was not using any psychometric abilities to induce the Forceback; it was more of a direct communication with the Force, i think. not sure where the tweet is on this, but i'm confident it's floating around somewhere!

 

Found it, but it's not outright denial.

 

I had a theory which was basically did Ben have the lightsaber while trained by Luke. Of course that's the question that this thread is based on.

First of all we know Luke lost the blue lightsaber on Cloud City and it when done to Bespin.
We know Ben was trained by Luke.
We also know he said "that lightsaber it belongs to me."

Now I may repeat some ideas by other people and some parts may not be correct in canon sense.

Luke lost the saber, and at some point went back and got it.
As he trained Ben, he let him use the lightsaber and he got the idea that it belongs to him, as a child would believe.
He at some point left the lightsaber or lost it when he turned dark.
Rey was there trained by Luke as well.
Luke gave the saber to Maz to look after.
He mind wiped Rey and manipulated her memories to have her believe that her parents left her on Jakku.
Events happen, maybe Luke knew at some point the saber will go to Rey, the force guiding her on Takodana, Kylo says it his, and we get to the end of the film and Luke sees Rey knowing what he planned has come to fruition.

Parts go off and becomes off topic. I apologise.