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SPECULATION Did Darth Plagueis Create Anakin?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Xeven, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. Xeven

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    Two things about Plagueis, He can use the Force to Create life and he can use the force to save lives and ultimately be immortal. Perhaps all this time Darth Plagueis has been searching for a perfect body to "for lack of better term" Posses.

    Anakin got damaged and Palpatine killed or severely wounded Darth Plagueis. Now as Snoke Darth Plagueis is continuing his search for a perfect Force strong body to take over as his own? It is why he is interested in Rey. Luke would be too old at this point.

    He seems to be searching for a body with balanced light and dark power. Maybe, Darth Plagueis is having to use all his force power just to stay alive after being killed by Sideous.

    Would almost be a shame to not use Darth Plagueis in these films. In a way this would make him a Skywalker or at least the father of Anakin even if he was spawned using the force by Darth Plagueis.

    Just some fun speculation.
     
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    I personally think the intentions behind TPM was to say "the force" created Anakin (which is cannon with nothing implied). Did the force create Anakin in response to what a Sith Lord was doing with his midichlorian manipulations... that is a debate.
     
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    Plagueis imposed his will upon the force and the result of that experiment was born nine months later.
    Snoke did nothing of the sort and is not even a Sith Lord. Does that mean Plagueis created Anakin?
    No. His experiment created Anakin.

    Some might even say that the force struck back at Plagueis in that moment.
    The point is, no Plagueis, no Anakin.
     
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    The first intention of Lucas was that Sidious created Anakin... Fortunately that was later discarded (Thank the Maker! (c-3po))
     
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    the answer is no.
     
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    It's implied that Plageuis created Anakin but never stated outright .
     
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    Agreed I doubt Plagueis ever knew about Anakin back then.
     
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    I guess Lucas realized that it would raise the question of why Sidious didn't say, "Luke, I am your grandfather" in ROTJ.
     
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    Well from what I've read in the past is that Plageuis used the force to influence the creation of "The Chosen One" and it just happened to pick Shmi Skywalker as the vessel .
     
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    On the voice over for ROTS, when Palpatine is talking about Plagueis' ability to create life, the producer calls it "Essential information in terms of the origin of Anakin"

    He also says it's "so bold and so audacious to put it in this setting"

    To me, it seems that the scene was intended to be the 'reveal' that Plagueis created Anakin.

    Check out the video:
     
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    Until today this question has not a clear and definitive answer. Recently Pablo Hidalgo wrote on twitter that "The only thing that posits any information beyond Plagueis' mere existence is that Legends novel" and when someone asked him "Is it canon that Plagueis created Anakin?" the answer was: "It's implied. But never said explicitly. Even the Legends novel hedged its bets"

    May the force be with us, always

     
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    I must have missed that.
     
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    Read what @ParzivalKatarn said...he legitimized what I said, so it's from Legends but it's still implied as a part of the new-canon...maybe when Plageuis died a part of him was embedded into the same force midichlorians that ended up creating Anakin Skywalker, literally, so he is a literal part of him sort of like Voldemort in Harry Potter.
     
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    that was never said. it was hinted at. it's left ambiguous on purpose. in the canon book "tarkin", palpatine reminisces about plagueis and says that when anakin was found plagueis was afraid. he was afraid that the force had struck back in retaliation for plagueis' meddling with it. that and the prophecy are the closest things we have as proof that it was the force itself that created anakin.

    the prophecy says the chosen one is created by the force itself, not someone meddling with the force to try and create life. palps told anakin dp could do this but he was lying. he even later tells anakin he doesn't know how to cheat death. that's what dp could do... cheat death by prolonging his life. not create life or come back to life after death. so not snoke either.
     
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    It actually ws intended to be that exactly where Palpatine tries to recruit Anakin here after revealing to him who his "father" is but they thought that is would be too literal and wanted the audience to keep thinking about it.
     
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    it was changed. palps is also a liar.
     
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    When/where did he lie ?
     
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    palps lied when he said anakin could learn the dark side and save padme with "plagueis' trick." he said that dp could use the force to create life which is also a lie. only later, after anakin has gone to his side does palps say, "to cheat death is a power only one has achieved. (dp) but together i know we can discover the secret." palps doesn't know how to do it. this is one of the main reasons he wants the chosen one on his side. so that he can try to learn it with the most powerful force user helping him.

    a. palps said dp could use the force to create life yet there's no proof and he never mentions it again. lie.

    b. palps said anakin had to be strong enough with the ds only then can his "powers" save padme. palps admits only dp could do it and admits it was only cheating death, ie: prolonging life. that's why palps had to kill him in his sleep. lie.

    c. he lied when he told vader he killed padme. lie.

    there are many others.
     
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    Well cheating death is a matter of how you see it. Sidious could have learnt it and then killed plageuis but considering how manipulative he is, he could lie about it but still have the knowedge. And Vader may not have literally killed Padmé but he pretty much signed her death certificate.
     
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    i agree padme's death is ambiguous. to me she did just die from a broken heart because it's a prevalent theme in mythology. about cheating death though, palps flat out told anakin he couldn't do it and that hopefully together they could learn the secret. the brilliance of palps is that he lured anakin to the dark side with a complete and total lie.
     
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