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SPECULATION Did Disney Tell Hamill to Grow a Beard to Distract Us from His Real Character?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Duck Duck Goose, Oct 2, 2014.

  1. Duck Duck Goose

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    This could be one of the most clever ploys used to thwart rumor speculation, if true.

    This is from the following website, and has also been mentioned before here as well. I am just going to cut and paste the relevant info so you guys and gals don't have to click back and forth between websites:

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/07/24/mark-hamill-talks-his-contractually-obligated-star-wars-beard/

    "In an interview with the BBC in London on Thursday, Hamill—who played Luke Skywalker in the original series—spoke briefly about his role in the next installment of the franchise, pointing out that he’s really playing second fiddle to new actors. “It’s really about the new generation of characters,” Hamill said. “We’re just there to lend our support, and grow contractually obligated beards.”

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    Let’s take a quick break here and consider Hamill’s maybe-joke seriously. Stare at the above image of his beard for a while, and ponder the fact that someone may have told him to grow it. There could even be a legal document somewhere that determines exactly how long, how grey, and even how trimmed that beard can be."

    However, his beard has not been maintained the same length. Normally, I would not think anything of this until Anonymous posted this link on the latest blog entry:

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    http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/huge-rumor-star-wars-episode-viis-father-sized-moment/

    The link provides the context of these quotes, but I will try to remove any spoiler information on them with ellipses:

    "What is up with that beard Mark Hamill is growing? Is it a ruse? I have no idea...I don’t know! It doesn’t make sense. The one thing I will say, since the start of filming, that beard has not been consistent. It just keeps getting longer. Not sure if that makes sense or not. I hate conspiracy theories, but there you have it...Strangely, a bearded Luke Skywalker concept is nowhere to be found".

    It's important to note that the author gives alternatives to what the rumor could also hint towards.

    I always assumed it was a joke that he was contractually obligated to grow it; moreover, I would think that he actually looked forward to it. But what if this is subtle gesture of saying "They made me do it guys, I didn't want to deceive you like that, " when we look back at this time after the film was released?
     
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    I'm still thinking they're completely false made up by either JJ's team of Wookieeleakers or some random person making things up saying their cousin's boss's girlfriend's next-door neighbor's son's best friend's mom's dog knows someone who has seen these images/script/sets/actors.
     
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    If you're saying that coming here (reading all these rumors) was a bad idea, I'm starting to agree with you.
     
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    I'm not saying that, I'm saying that they are more than likely false leading us on a wild bantha chase. It is fun to read them though.
     
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    Yeah, I just felt like saying that line. I know that's what you meant, and I do agree; those hesitations have also crossed my mind.
     
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    If these "rumors" by makingstarwars are true then why do they sound like made up fan fiction based off a couple of supposed leaked art or pictures. If JJ is so good at keeping secrets then why would this come out 440+ days before the film comes out. The first movie is always a introduction to characters, not something as dark as some of these rumors are.
     
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    I dig the beard it gives him a wise look. I hope it is for the movie and not a red herring.
     
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    Very sage-like.
     
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    LOL.... i do have my moments:D
     
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    Oddly, I was thinking about the length of his beard yesterday and how it didn't seem to align. Maybe Mark's filming is done and he needs to double the length for Episode 8. i really hope he is not the villain in all or part of the ST. I think we will have a mystery casting for what was described in the link. This will be Driver's character or another unlikely reveal besides Luke. Luke was the optimistic/idealistic ying to Solo's pessimistic yang. It would seem cheap to make him evil. I can understand him becoming a recluse or brooding over darkside temptations, dead mentors and participation in the death of his father, but Luke would never fall from the light (outside of the EU). It would be pretty choppy writing to joe public moviegoer. Luke saved the day in ROTJ....wait Lukes evil now!?
     
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    I don't think it matters. He may wear a mask the entire move. Or they may have planned the short beard filming in the start and longer later. using a prothesis when needed. I wouldn't over think it.
     
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    See, I disagree there. Luke turning to the darkside (or possibly the grayside) is proof of the seductiveness of the darkside illustrated. Its mentioned a lot, but Annakin always seemed ripe for a fall. And outside of him, we haven’t really seen that seductiveness at work. Seeing someone who was so good and pure, who thought they had passed all the tests, falling to the temptations of the darkside is the exact kind of thing that can ramp up the threat level in a trilogy where it might be hard to take a new villain seriously.

    If its some new sith or random Imperial Admiral, then I feel like there is no real fear that the heroes will fail. We’ve seen them best the emperor and the chosen one, are we really all that afraid of what else is out there? But if it’s our one rock, the one thing in the saga we thought was completely untouched by the evils of the dark side and the arrogance of the old jedi order, then we face truly dark times. That represents a true challenge to the new generation of heroes.

    I think it also sets a good tone, in that it adds a realistic edge to Luke’s arc. The battle against temptation and power is never over. To think you have defeated it is arrogance, and you can never let your guard down. If you think you have mastered your fears, then that is when you have already started your fall. That ties in nicely with the themes of Yoda’s final arc in TCW and could provide a unique theme for the new trilogy. The PT was the seduction of power. The OT was redemption and finding inner strength. The ST could be, the ongoing and perpetual nature of keeping evil at bay.
     
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    This whole evil luke thing is bantha poodoo plain and simple
     
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    To have Luke turn away from the dark side and then to have Anakin redeemed too, but then have Luke then become a darksider after all that??? I call BS too.
     
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    Also, Luke has no one to help him. Obi-wan and Yoda are dead. Luke is still a baby Jedi at the end of RotJ. With no mentors to keep him in line, he might turn. He might need the power of the Darkside for a noble goal...but, of course, the darkside doesn't just let you off once you start using it. You never know. If he's bad, I would rather him start the movie bad, and have someone tell the brief story of how it happened (Obi-wan style), rather than seeing a 60 yr old luke turn to the darkside all of a sudden.
     
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    Well, I am not saying Luke turning evil is not intriguing, but there will not be enough 'story meat' to drop that bombshell on the audience within this movie, and Luke has passed the ultimate 'test(s)' when he chucked his light saber and resisted the Emperor. You could also assume he confers with his dead 'ghost' mentors and isn't 'alone' as Cole mentioned. I know somebody already brought up the idea in some other thread, forget who, but Luke skirting along or back and forth the morality line would be much more interesting and believable to me. This would demonstrate the temptations at work while keeping the prospect of Luke turning to the dark side ever present. Like the others, I expect that this story is BS and I believe Luke will be a level-headed ally or perhaps a reluctant old Jedi dragged into something massive and beyond his foresight.
     
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    I agree. Luke being evil, would be the story. Luke is the ultimate hero character and you don't just blink and oops he's evil now. His father didn't just blink and become Darth Vader. I don't think Luke is evil. He might become evil, but if Luke is evil the whole film has to be about what made him evil and how to turn him back again. We've seen this story, its in the first six films, we don't need to see it again.
     
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    This is exactly my one big problem with the twist, if true. Not showing his fall, would be a severe juxtaposition for people who last saw Luke dancing with ewoks. Its an interesting approach that they would shroud his fall in mystery. And it lends credence to the idea of there being numerous flashbacks in the movie. But it would be asking a lot of the audience to suddenly accept dark Luke with no evidence of his fall. Unless...the whole thing is a double twist. Maybe Luke being evil isn't the twist. Maybe its a trick or some sort of deep cover mission and we're all being told this is the big twist just to throw us off the scent.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how it plays out .....and with the way Kyle and other websites have dialed up the rumor intensity within the last 24 hours, I should be bracing myself for anything.
     
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    The beard length thing is kind of odd. It's possible that they took the uncommon approach of actually filming his scenes in order of appearance and that the film takes place over the course of a few months.

    Odd choice though.

    I suppose I could see him embracing the Dark Side in an attempt to understand it better and/or try to destroy it from the inside (perhaps embracing the Dark Side and then going into seclusion in an attempt to purge himself....think of it as redeeming his father AND himself...to show that it's possible that bracing it won't firever dominate your fate).

    Don't know...really don't like the idea of a bizarre cyborg Luke...I know it's been 30 years but come on, what a shock that would be with little explanation. You would HAVE to use flashbacks then to even somewhat make it make sense.
     
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