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Did Luke ever tell Han and Leia?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by KyloRen16, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. KyloRen16

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    (This might have been covered before, but I couldn't find a topic so I apologize in advance. :p )

    So the other day I was just lazing around and a question just hit me... did Luke ever tell Han and Leia that he considered killing Ben that night? That he was the reason Ben finally turned after years of manipulation by Snoke? Or did he just tell them that Snoke finally got to him, left R2 with them and went into exile?

    I'm just curious to know what you guys think the aftermath of that night could have looked like.
     
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    Luke: "Leia blamed Snoke, but it was me. I failed. Because I was Luke Skywalker... A Legend."

    I think this pretty much confirms that he didn't tell them, but he most definitely made the impression to them, that it was his fault.
    Han: "He was training a new generation of Jedi. One boy, an apprentice turned against him, destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible… He just walked away from everything."
     
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    I agree. I think Luke took responsibility for Ben’s turn but did not give all the details to Han in Leia. I could Luke using language like “I failed him”. “I should have recognized the darkness sooner”. “I could have done more”.
     
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    Never thought about this.

    But I think Luke in some moment have told them about considered to kill Ben. If he didn't tell them about this, his burden its even bigger!
     
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    Woah! There's a lot of very supportive and convincing evidence here, evidence that I can't believe I missed. xD Thanks!
    If this is true though, it really does show how far Luke fell and how far he was willing to go to protect his reputation, his legacy, even though he failed Ben he didn't want to admit to the fact that he scared him into Snoke's arms completely.
    I also agree with @Messi, carrying a lie that big for years probably ate away at him, causing him to feel like an even bigger failure.
     
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    I think his first account, which is truthful, but lacking key details is likely what he came to accept first. When Obi-Wan tells Luke about Vader later he goes even further in dropping key details.

    VIII shows that avoidance is one of the easier paths offered up by the dark side in a way IMO. Luke heals by fully coming to the full terms of what happened. Rey heals by fully coming to the full terms of everything involved with her parents instead of hoping that perhaps she’d see them out there in the world or that there was more to them than she thought or a more noble for why they left.

    VIII shows that as hard as it is to accept harsh truths... we must if we are to move past them and heal and learn from them. Burning the past down is only embraced by Kylo Ren, the current villain, at the end.

    I’ve always wondered if Luke subconsciously wondered about Vader in ways that were close to the truth when he first entered the dark side area on Dagobah and experienced what he did. Did a tiny part of him wonder if there was more to this story than he’d been told and he repressed that? Did he worry he’d become more like the man who hurt his father than the man he hoped his father was? The best aspects of Luke’s arc get into Carl Jung and these two moments are no different.
     
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    Which is pretty blasted up and makes me hate Luke even more. The man never grew up out of the child that just wanted to race, and I really feel like he went along with Obi-Wan because he literally had nothing else left. Sure, he grew up and saved the Republic, but deep down - he was still that arrogant kid.
     
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    I always read the "Leia blamed Snoke" line a little differently.

    To me, it seems like Leia knew, but still saw Snoke as the issue.

    I don't think it's really concrete evidence either way, though.
     
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    I’d prefer to think of it as a reason to hate ST Luke and especially RJ’s Luke - but I personally will never accept those as the real Luke. :D
     
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    ^ Luke as depicted in The Last Jedi is not "Rian Johnson's Luke", to use your wording, because the concept of depicting the character as a disillusioned hermit hiding in a cave came from George Lucas during preproduction on The Force Awakens.
     
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    Could be some justification of his decision to run away and die.
     
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    This is fake news.

    FACT: The ending of TFA had to be altered to accommodate the differences in the character's portrayal for the beginning of TLJ. When Rey approached, JJ originally had a few big floating rocks surrounding Luke to signify his Skywalker connection to the force. IIRC: Marc was so freaked about the change(s) that he called RJ to ask how they were going to get around the fact that Luke was wearing Jedi robes for TFA. ALSO: George is on record more than once stating how Disney went in a completely different direction & he decided to remove himself instead of getting in the way. I'm @ work, will happy to post relevant sauce when I get home in 10 hours.


    According to TLJ's director: Luke was a blank slate for his own interpretation. I have ALL of the quotes.
    After TLJ.JPG

    Best part? RJ didn't tell MH that Luke died... he found at the premiere. See after-premier face above.


    The Force Awakens = The Search For Skywalker & the entire movie was turned into a joke
    the instant Luke flipped his father's laser sword handle over his head.


    Imagine, for one second if JJ had ended TFA with Luke's flip....
    & an empty-handed Luke storming off to his hut. With floating rocks all around.

    The internet would have burned.

    And "WTF did Lor San Tekka & Han Solo just die for?" would have been my first question(s).
    But I digress.
    :eek:
     
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    We do have to remember...while TLJ certainly did allude to Luke's Death, they never actually said it on screen. JJ can still have him alive.
     
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    That's not true. Mark Hamill himself debunked this. He was the very frist who knew Luke dies. And btw Luke, @DigificWriter is telling the truth. Luke being a hermit living on an island and then to be found by a young girl was in George Lucas' and Michael Arndt's draft of EPVII. You can read this up in the official Concept Art book of TFA.

    They died for saving Kylo Ren.
     
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    Revisionist history at its finest. I watched the premier vid that same night and all I saw was fury from MH.

    Whatever words the corporate monster demanded of him after the fact does not concern me.

    Mark was closer to the dark side than Luke had ever been.

    I trust my eyes and his immediate reaction.
    ;)

    Well, THAT (saving Kylo) didn't happen so now what?
    :p
     
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    I agree with you. Mark Hammil was shocked. I don't care what Disney/LFL says on the interwebs....
    [​IMG]
     
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    This post is full of inaccuracies, but the facts clearly don't matter to you.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2019 ---
    Feel free to source away all of them. I'll wait.
     
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    You know this trilogy isn't finished yet, right?

    star-wars-the-last-jedi-rumor-ending-changed-mark-hamill-3-1070481.jpeg
    So, Mark is lying then? ;D know, this is not how movie making works.
     
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    Obviously.
    TLJ Truth 2.JPG
    Behold the powah of the Disney Corporate Monster.
    TLJ Truth 1.JPG
    Wrong, again. ​
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