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SPECULATION Did Luke use Qui-Gon's Kyber Crystal?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Canadian Ronin, Jan 13, 2017.

  1. Lt. Hija

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    For what it's worth the ROJ radio drama (George Lucas Canon) had Luke visit Obi-Wan's hut to find the crystal for his lightsaber there ("Adegan Crystal", IIRC).

    Assuming that it's imperative for a Jedi to construct his or her own lightsaber, that's something Obi-wan Kenobi must have been aware of in ANH, and something he undoubtedly prepared for.

    They were already in the "dark times" of the Empire and had bigger fish to fry, so I think the luxury of a quest for Luke to find his own crystal was an element deliberately but understandably skipped by Obi-Wan Kenobi.
     
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    Yes

    But places full Kyber Crystals? If you're an Imperial Agent or Inquisitor, do you think deposits of Kyber would be places you'd keep an eye on?
     
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    Supposing you know all the places in the galaxy. The empire didn't know Hoth, Dagobah etc ...
     
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    As I've already said 1) I don't think they are going to exhaust the current era 2) The ESB/RotJ era doesn't lend itself to a long, ongoing series. It doesn't make sense for Luke, Leia, Lando and Chewie to forget about Han and get sidetracked for 20-40-60 issues with other adventures. If they cover that space in the comics I think we'll get a 6-12 issue series covering specific events leading up to the start of RotJ.
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    Which, as far as I know, don't have Kyber Crystal deposits.

    They have access to the old Jedi archives. They know were the Jedi went to get their crystals.
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    She doesn't appear to have her lightsabers when she leaves the temple
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    I don't buy that scene is Luke finishing his lightsaber, just making adjusments to it. It would make sense, in a lot of ways, for Luke to have it for a while and to have practiced with it before going to Jabba's
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    Not possible doesn't = incompetent.

    IF they ever write the story and thats how it plays out, he could go to Obi-wans hut with the intention of finding out how to build a lightsaber and where to find the crystal needed and "oh, look there is one here".
     
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    Luke was supposed to change the Jedi code? I imagine he ultimately does, but that wasn’t necessarily his stated goal, yeah?
    Getting a hand-me-down crystal would be different for a Jedi, right? Doesn’t different = change? Doesn’t seem like too much of a paradox to me :)
    They also didn’t know about the hidden Jedi temple on Lothal where little Ezra and his haircut nabbed a crystal.
    Right, and I do. Hence the ‘agree to disagree’. I think it’s inevitable that the audience will eventually grow weary of being stuck in this time period. You don’t - ‘nuff said.
    You're right, it doesn’t make sense. But we know from the extended length between episodes, that’s probably what happens. You’ll need to take that criticism up with George Lucas.
    Sure, and I think it would make substantially more sense to cover it in a short arc within the current series instead of a separate, limited title.
    Considering his rematch with Vader goes a whole lot better, it stands to reason he’s been practicing. Hard to practice lightsabering without a lightsaber . . . I assume.
     
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    But thats why the story between ESB and RotJ would be better told as a limited series. They focus it, it can be able the characters dealing with specific problems and getting themselves into the places we need them to be in when RotJ starts.

    A seperate limited titled gives them higher sales. #1's sell more. A new series will garner more attention then a story arc. And they can keep the ongoing Star Wars comic in print while the limited series is being published. More Star Wars titles on the rack at the sametime = more sales. Why wouldn't they go for higher and more sales?

    There are ways to practice all combat arts on your own. But training/experience fighting another person is a must as well.
     
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    That's in Shadows of the Empire, which I'm sure you know isn't really canon anymore.

    But I don't think it's a bad place to start. In circumstances when old canon doesn't contradict new canon, it's always at least worth considering.


    Now, let me throw my own crackpot theory out there, just for fun- Luke found his kyber crystal when returning to the moon of Yavin IV, a surviving fragment of the Death Star superlaser. Brings a whole new, darker meaning to the green coloration.
     
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    Hey, maybe. I personally don’t see why they’d need a spinoff book to tell that story though. Considering how much comic nonsense has already happened between 4 and 5, it’s pretty ridiculous to expect nothing of consequence happened in that time other than planning Han’s rescue.
    I imagine Marvel had the same outlook back in 1996 - right before they filed for bankruptcy :D
    A lightsaber strikes me as a weapon with unique challenges you’d only encounter by actually using one. But Finn and Rey managed just fine, so what do I know :)
     
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    I didn't say nothing of consequence. I'm sure there is a story to be told there, but the story should be in service of getting the characters to the place they are at in RotJ. They shouldn't be off blowing up weapon factories or clearing Lando's gambling debts or trying to get Chewie home for life day etc... The type fo stories you need for an ongoing comic book series. Something more like Shadows of the Empire, which was a limited story, is what tehy should be aiming for.

    Marvel has that outlook now, look at how often they re-start their titles.

    They used to hold up the lightsaber as this difficult weapon that only Jedi could use with the aid of the force. But in the last couple years many untrain, non-force using characters have used them just fine (Chewie even used two at once).
     
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    Just like the current run should be a story in service to getting the characters in the place they’re at in ESB?
    There’s no accounting for what should be done and what will be done. I expect them to keep with their current trajectory throughout the saga and beyond. But that’s probably why I don’t work for Lucasfilm - aside from being grossly underqualified, that is.
    Hmm, there was this saying I heard once. Something about ‘history’ and ‘repetition’. Damned if I can recall. I guess I should have paid more attention :D ‘Quality over quantity’ is what I’m aiming at. But when has that idea ever actually been valued?
    Sort of like the early draft days when every random jerk Storm Trooper had one.
     
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    Yes, ultimately we need to see why Han is a General, Rogue Squadron etc... But that story is much longer and much less focused. There is no......objective driving the heroes between ANH and ESB like there is between ESB and RotJ.

    But this wouldn't be them re-starting a series just for the #1 sales bump. It'd be a new Series.

    Off the top of my head - Han, Leia, Chewie (dueling wielding), that elite Stormtrooper dude and Finn in the last 15 months have all been shown, effectively, using lightsabers.
     
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    I absolutely agree. That’s why I always thought the time between Ep5 and 6 was only a few months or so. The last thing they say in ESB is that they’ll rendezvous on Tattooine. That took a whole year? Why? What sort of monkeyshines did these rascals get up to in that time? Maybe the story group will shorten that gap. But MORE is always better it seems. I figure they’ll want to jam as much in that spot as humanly possible.
     
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    Just because they rendezvous there doesn't mean they go straight to Jabba's

    Luke has to figure out how to make a lightsaber, make it, and it looks like he gets at least a little stronger between ESB and RotJ. I think there could be a story in Lando getting the cover to get into Jabba's. Does Leia have to do any work to establish her cover?
     
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    Yes, I’m sure there’s a million ways for it to all make sense and I’m waiting to hear them from the story group.
    To rescue Han? Why? Ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side if you ask me.
    Yeah, I guess that new employee orientation and probationary period could have lasted 10-12 months. Probably a pretty rigid background check too.
    Does somebody need professional references to collect on a bounty? What a racket! Glass ceilings, man.
     
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    Even Vader said "I see you constructed you own light saber". What's the question?
     
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