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Did Lukes Meeting with Biggs in Anchorhead happen in Canon?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Darth Caliban, Apr 27, 2015.

  1. Darth Caliban

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    I wonder if Biggs returned to Tatooine in New Canon!
     
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    Nope, it sure didn't! Cut scenes are not canon.
     
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    Is Biggs mentioned in Heir of the Jedi?
     
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    I'm about halfway through that book. No mention of Biggs yet.

    Biggs *is* canon, though. He appears in the movie. But did he return to Tatooine? We don't know. :)
     
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    From what I remember, Biggs was not in Heir of the Jedi.
     
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    That Biggs Scene is great. It gives an explanation of the situation in the galaxy to the viewer. They should include it into the movie. Maybe they will some day...
     
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    Would have been far better than the stupid special edition changes!
     
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    Yep. A director's cut would have been much better than a "special" edition.

    I was watching ANH recently and I had to laugh at the ronto that walks in front of the camera right before Obi-wan & Luke meet the StormTroopers in Mos Eisley. I mean the ronto takes up the ENITRE screen. If that had been an extra any capable director would have yelled cut and then yelled at the extra for walking directly in front of the camera during a shot and blocking all of the actors.

    I had images of Christian Bale going ballistic at some random set hand who was fiddling with some lights in the background and not involved in the shot.

    It was such an awful change and needless addition.
     
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    Someone did a mini-documentary about Biggs, and the missing footage if anyone is interested:

    Blast it Biggs! Where are you?! - By @jamieswb
     
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    I don't see why those bits can't be canon. There's nothing disruptive there. Luke is out working on the farm, sees the space battle, goes into Tosche Station to see his friends, Biggs is back from the Academy and confides in Luke that he's going to join the Rebellion.

    I understand why Lucas cut it out of the film - it would have been a bit disjointing to the flow. But I don't think anyone would have a problem with that bit being canon. It just happens not to have been shown - same as Luke crashing the T-16 Skyhopper the week before. We know it happened - just didn't see it.

    EDIT - actually according to official canon source Wikipedia - those scenes are canon:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Biggs_Darklighter/Canon

    EDIT 2: and on StarWars.com! http://www.starwars.com/databank/biggs-darklighter-biography-slideshow
     
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    I think Luke's meeting with Biggs was just a deleted scene
     
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    I wish we had seen more of that Cammie RRRrrrrrrrrow xD

    It's interesting how much Felicity Jones, rey and Cammie all resemble one another

    reycammie.jpg [​IMG]
     
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    Dunno.I don't think of it as canon. I didn't even pay attention to Biggs at all until the Special Editions came out...what? I was 4 in '77. :p
     
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    They have such cool Star Warsy outfits though

    biggs.jpg
     
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    This, to me, is still the worst special edition change. Just searching for it made my blood boil. Sorry, off-topic, I know.



    But it makes me think in the Special Edition we get a great interaction between Biggs and Luke in the hangar before the Battle of Yavin in ANH, but we have no context for it. Other than adding a little bit more pathos to Biggs's death, it doesn't seem to add anything.

    I'm actually kinda glad the Biggs/Luke Tattooine scene got cut--Luke's most irritating personality trait (tendency to whine) is there big time.
     
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    I think it's canon, the scenes are in the radio drama, the Art Of Star Wars book, the novelisation and also that deleted moment with Luke was added back in to the SE. Nothing that Luke or Biggs say in the deleted scenes is contradicted by material in the later films.
     
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    Remember, Biggs was killed during the Battle of Yavin...by Darth Vader. I don't see why that scene SHOULDN'T be canon. I realize that it was a cut scene which would immediately make it non-canon (because it didn't happen in the movie), but honestly, it should've been in the movie in order to give some weight to Luke and his childhood friend....such a waste.
     
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    I think anyone who knows me will know my feelings towards the Star Wars canon.
    I mean, it's 99% fine and it works and all that, but for that other 1% it is just counter-intuative. There are anomalies. Hence you get discussions like this.

    Canon should not be some guy at Lucasfilm saying "cut scenes are not canon". Canon is that which is accepted as genuine. It should be something that is studied and evaluated in a rigorous fashion, not the product of some set of arbitrary rules. Yes, there are rules, but they need to be more subtle, more informed.

    For example - there are cut scenes from TESB where Yoda is training Luke in the art of the lightsaber. Now, there are numerous reasons I can think of that Kershner would opt to remover such a scene from his film (it slowed the pace of the movie down, it was repetitive after we had already seen Obi-Wan instructing Luke with a saber in ANH, the metaphysical education Luke was undertaking was something more important to get across to the audience than him simply training to be a "warrior" and so on) but I bet that "because Luke didn't do any lightsaber training at all on Dagobah" is not one of them.
    And yet... did Yoda give Luke any lightsaber tuition on Dagobah? No, it's not canon. It's in a cut scene.

    It's the same with the Biggs scenes. We know Biggs left Tatooine, Luke says so. We know Luke aspires to join the academy, he says so. We know Biggs ended up hooking up with the Rebellion, because we see him at the end of the movie.
    The cut scene reinforces all of these things and expands on them, rather than contradicting anything.

    If you just impose a simple "cut scenes are not canon" rule, then you are removing the whole evaluation process that makes a canon "a canon" in the first place.
    Surely some cut scenes confuse the overall narrative, while some enrich your understanding of the Star Wars universe and the story being told in it. They should be judged on a case by case basis. There needs to be a Star Wars canon revolution. The fans and scholars need to reclaim the canon - join with me, brothers, and rise up against th--

    *Sorry, wrong meeting*
     
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    I've always been rather fond of the scene, and have considered it "canon" in my own little world, regardless of LucasFilm's decision (or lack thereof) on the matter.
     
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    It's interesting that the Special Editions are considered canon, but deleted scenes that might have been included in a Director's Cut Extended Edition aren't.
     
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