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SPECULATION Did Obi-Wan Kenobi know about the Rebel Alliance pre-ANH?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by PrincessLeiaCB3, Aug 29, 2016.

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Do you think Obi-Wan was contacted by the Rebellion before ANH?

  1. Yes - he might have known about it and it might be explored further in Rebels or a spin-off.

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  2. No - it does not make sense. Princess Leia message was quite straightforward to get him involved.

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  3. Undecided - there might be a chance but not sure.

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  1. PrincessLeiaCB3

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    Hello Cantina mates!

    I'm really looking forward to watch Rogue One.

    Just wondering about what our OT characters were doing by the time this group of Rebels from Rogue One steal the Death Star plans, I started thinking about Obi-Wan. I know there have been prior speculation about having a spin-off movie for Kenobi between ROTS and ANH, but whether it's something concrete or not, do you think Obi-Wan had contact with the Rebel Alliance in some way before seeing Princess Leia hologram in Artoo?

    Part of me thinks he didn't, based on her message:

    "General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

    From what she says, it seems he was totally secluded in the Outer Rim and this was the first communication with the Rebel Alliance.

    But was it?

    What if he did have contact with someone before, but that was unbeknowst to the Princess?? Maybe she was just told to look for Obi-Wan.

    Let me know what you think!
     
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    my impression is that he was totally keeping to himself, head down.
    he seems aware of Imperial events, but unconcerned about the Rebel Alliance ~ even when they get to the Death Star and make their plans, he's not the least bit interested necessarily in rescuing Leia. part of this we can chalk up to Lucasrevision that skewed everything, but we can only judge with what we have (or make up reasons for characters' "feigned" ignorance.

    i like to think he was out of it all that time ~ if for no other reason than to protect his knowledge/Luke from being picked up by Sidious' probes.
     
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  3. PrincessLeiaCB3

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    I know! "It's all George's fault!" (with whiny AOTC Anakin voice LOL).
     
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    I think after the events of RotS Obi-Wan was personally defeated on many levels and was almost looking forward to his seclusion. After all his efforts to keep the galaxy in a united peace, he was undermined by his own apprentice and "brother." At that point, looking after Luke from afar was probably the only thing that would gave him any sort of gratification. It wasn't about the galaxy anymore, it was just about this one boy. (Until, of course, it wasn't).

    And I do think that he was aware of the Imperials and Rebel Alliance, but had decided it was no longer his fight, like @FN-3263827 mentioned. I'm not totally sure though, I like to think that he took up a few random missions during his time on Tatooine. Probably nothing asked of him, something of his own volition. Besides, only Bail Organa knew where Kenobi was, right? And I don't think he would give up that information to just anyone, at the risk of it getting out and endangering Luke's life.

    I would greatly welcome a Kenobi spin-off, and I'm hopeful the (presumed) success of Rogue One will show there is still plenty of interest left in that time period of the SW universe. Ewan McGregor is on board, so get on it, Disney!
     
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    Obi-Wan may have heard about the rebellion against the Empire by word of mouth in Mos Eisley or Anchorhead, Luke knew about it.
    Bail Organa knew Obi-Wan took Luke to Tatooine and was going to watch over him. He must have told Leia about him and that is where she could find him, in her most desperate hour. Whether Leia was going to Tatooine to find Obi-Wan or just diverted there to try to get the death star plans to him because she knew the Empire was coming for them, I'm not sure of, and I hope Rogue One will explain.
     
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    Here's another thought, and I hope this doesn't stray too far off topic...

    Do you think Bail Organa sent Leia on this mission with the intentions of her possibly meeting up with Luke? I mean, anyone could have went to retrieve Obi-Wan from Tatooine. The fact that Leia was the one tasked with this seems like Bail had ulterior motives... all for the best of course. Maybe he decided it was time they found out the truth.
     
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    Ben "Obi-Wan CERTAIN POV" Kenobi is the most slippery fish in the galaxy. I would not put stock in anything he may have said, or anything anyone else may have said about him. Personally, this is why I'm most excited about the possible Kenobi spinoffs.
     
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    He still had dealings with people at Anchorhead and Mos Eisely. I'm sure he heard stories and rumours from the people he spoke with. Luke knew about "the rebellion against the Empire", so you'd imagine old Obi Wan had some idea.
     
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    Now you've got me thinking.

    Something that Leia says is quite interesting:

    "I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed."

    So actually the Princess was requested by his father to go search for Obi-Wan and bring him to Alderaan.

    However, something Bail says in the "Bloodline" recording quizzes me:

    We don't know yet when exactly this was recording in the timeline, but I guess it was between Leia becoming Senator of Alderaan at 16 and the Rogue One timeframe. So at the beginning Bail was not thinking of getting Leia nearby Tatooine? Or did things get so desperate for him and he decided to ask Leia to go get Obi-Wan?
     
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    i took it that he'd intended to go with her to find Obi-Wan and Luke, but when things got bad with the Empire and as Bail himself perhaps got embroiled in the Resistance, the plans changed, yeah. obviously he recorded the message well before she was captured and maybe even before she'd gotten involved with the Rebellion herself.
     
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    Good points. Yeah I wasn't really thinking of "Bloodine" when I had that earlier thought. I guess there isn't much to that theory then.. Oh well!

    Still, the whole thing doesn't quite add up for me...

    -Leia dispatched to bring Obi-Wan back to Alderaan
    -Tantive IV receives Death Star plans
    -Tantive IV goes to Tatooine
    -Tantive IV goes back to Alderaan, with Obi-Wan

    Simple plan in nature but also seems like too much of a run-around, especially with something as the Death Star plans hanging in the balance. No wonder something went wrong! Hopefully Rogue One will find a way to shed more light on how all that was supposed to go down.
     
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    Agree, I reckon he did that recording when he stepped down from his Senatorial position to be taken by his daughter when she was 16 yrs-old.

    Having her looking for Obi-Wan perhaps was a change of plans due to the circumstances.

    I know! Yeah it will be interesting to see what happens in Rogue One.

    Then I remembered this quote from "Lost Stars":

    I think those "mercy missions" were maybe a cover-up for her actual supporting role for the Rogue One rebel heist. That's why she went away from Coruscant, perhaps.
     
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    If you think about it, it almost sounds like Leia was on a mission to find Obi-Wan, and getting the Death Star plans was purely coincidental. Like the Tantive IV was the only rebel ship close enough to receive the transmission.
     
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    I think at the very least, he may have heard there was a rebellion from his ventures into town. But thanks to the Prequels, we know Obi Wan had an agenda on Tatooine other than just hiding. He was there to watch over and protect the "New Hope". If he would have left to fight, he certainly wouldn't have been watching over Luke and I really don't think he would risk calling attention to himself by regularly communicating with figures in the rebellion. Based on what we know of his purpose from the prequels, you have to ask the question, would he have left to take the plans if Luke hadn't decided to go with him.
     
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    This may be the reason they aren't wanting to move forward on a standalone Obi-Wan film, the character was probably extremely hesitant to leave Tatooine because it would mean leaving Luke vulnerable, and he learned during the war that the Sith will take every opportunity to attack if they found out about his existence.
     
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    Good points, I have to agree with you both. I think perhaps the only way he would leave Tatooine would be briefly and if it was in the best interest of protecting Luke (ex: he has learned that a Sith or bounty hunter is getting close, and goes off-world to distract/dispose of the threat).

    Also, it may have been from one of his trips into town or just him being prepared, but he did know exactly where to go to find a transport and not be found out, so he may have previously visited that wretched hive of scum and villainy for that purpose before he went there with Luke.
     
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    Well well well, you bring up a really interesting point here: In all of the R1 discussions, everybody around here in the cantina just were focusing on the hand-over of the Death Star plans from Jyn’s team to Leia & the Tantive IV, ignoring the fact that her original mission was a different one.

    The request from Bail to have General Kenobi transported to Alderaan to help against the empire adds another component to just hinder and destroy the imminent weapons project. If R1 and ANH are so seamless interwoven, Bails cameo should include more than just shoving the two droids around in the background.

    Was Obi-Wan to be recruited for the Alliance to restore the Republic even if the DS and retrieval of its plans were not in discussion? Why then was the original plan to bring him to Alderaan and not to Yavin 4, where the R1 mission originated and all the other persons were assembled?

    A theory would be, that getting Obi-Wan to Bail was a parallel story line for Leia, until she have to take care of the DS plans as an emergency options because at the end of Jyn’s mission something goes awful wrong, the guy in the black iron lung steps in and their escape plan fails. And Leia tries to combine both mission she’s now stuck with.

    Just a thought from my side.

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    I know!! Also did this plan include Luke at some point? If the original plan was to get Obi-Wan to Alderaan, would he had contacted Luke? I don't think Leia was told about that, but it's worth thinking about it.
     
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    Absolutely! Bail would have known that Obi-Wan would most probably not travel away from Tatooine anywhere without taking his ward with him.
     
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    And how would Obi-Wan do that when Luke was still completely unaware of the big picture and living with the Lars family who wanted Luke as far away from crazy old wizards as possible?

    Did Bail gamble on Obi-Wan training Leia eventually?

    What circumstances led to Bail putting an end to Obi-Wan's exile? Why was he needed on Alderaan?
     
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