Did Sequel Trilogy kill Star Wars Saga?

I think the breaking of the IP and the fandom is much, much more complicated than "the ST did it." Perhaps I am overly optimistic at this moment, but I think thanks to TROS, in a few years we'll be able to look back at the ST and say it was a great trilogy with some glaring flaws. Which is not bad considering the weight on this franchise and the fact that they foolishly tried to make a trilogy with no blueprint from the start.

As for my optimism, I'm someone who uses recuts of the PT and TLJ for my head-canon, so .... maybe my opinion is slanted anyway

 

I don't know that one. For me I watch the Anti-Cheese edits of the prequels and the Anti-Cringe edit of TLJ.

 

Here's the thing. While your argument definetely has merit, they key thing is that you. like many others, had one idea as to where the franchise had to go, and yet it went another way. That's fine. But it doesn't mean that the franchise is "dead" or anything. I remember prtty much the same thing being said about the PT - that it was bad, inconsistent with the OT etc. But the franchise is still going on and in 10-15 years new fans would be complaining that that whatever will come out is terrible in comparison to episodes VII-IX.

Still, I am pretty sure, that the ST would be reevaluated as time goes on, TLJ would be treated much better and TROS - far worse. That is why I pretty much insist they release an Extended Cut.

 

No.

Simply put: history has a way of repeating itself. Some people thought the Prequels ruined the series up until the last handful of years and now there’s a large group online who think that they’re great movies and the best part of the saga. The same thing will happen with the Sequels within the next twenty years.

 

Killed? No. Damaged? Yes.

I know die hard, olde schoole fans that are giving up on Star Wars completely because of the ST. These are now people that would have paid for subscriptions to Disney+ and bought DVDs and seen future movies but now won't. I'm not one of them. Overall I think the ST was a misfire and that TROS in particular was disappointing. However, I still greatly enjoy the Mandolorian and have high hopes for the other movies and series that have been announced.

I think that episodes 7-9 should have continued the stories of Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie as the main characters and introduced a new generation in the second or third movie. That new generation then gets episodes 10-12 to shine in. The treatment of the OT characters and what they did was handled poorly.

If episode 7 had Ben as Luke's student throughout the whole movie and then showed a hint of darkness at the very end, that would have been better. Then in episode 8 you get the scene where Luke contemplates killing Ben and he runs away. Then in episode 9 Ben's real turn to the dark side but is defeated while remaining alive, like Vader in ANH. Maybe Luke dies while training Rey and his dying breath is to tell her to stop Ben. Then the new generation gets their own trilogy.

 

NO

 

I mean each trilogy has it's own distinct look, feel, and vibe. Each has there lovers, mehs, and haters, yet 42 years in, we are still going strong and discussing all of them

 

Remember when Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant, Matt Smith, Peter Capaldi, Jodie Whittaker, Russell T Davies, Steven Moffat... blah blah blah killed Doctor Who? Wait, what's that? The show's still going.

Too bad we can't say the same for Star Wars then /s.

 

A week ago, I went to cinema to watch the entire ST in a marathon screening. Good way to judge the consistency and compare the movies. TLJ being different than TFA, I nevertheless started to appreciate the movie more, despite of some stupid, cringy, bad humor scenes. It was my second viewing of TROS, which I enjoyed as a fan but was according to me still the least of the sequels. Pacing issues are already mentioned often, also the cheap plot devices, but the dialogue seemed very clunky too.
Overall the ST does suffer in quality from the way the different directors were handled by Disney, but I still believe they (the directors) treated Star Wars with respect and weren't just doing their thing to gain money. In any case, not every Star Wars movie will ever have the same quality. It could have been better, but when it comes to acting, portraying characters and the visual stuff it still beats the PT for me.

And it's still in line with the rest of the saga, it still fits in storywise and thematically. Nothing of the OT or PT is retconned. The Sith immortality them, Palpatine looming in the darkness, the failure of the jedi in the past being a great teacher, it makes sense. People are complaining about the inflation of Force Powers, but what about the PT jedi jumping and flipping around as if it's nothing?

Off course I had a very different ST in mind before it was made. You know, the expected stuff: Luke and his academy, the New Republic, Han and Leia and their happy family. But I wonder if this setting would really garantee a good movie or just be a collection of fan service.

NO, this didn't kill Star Wars, no more or less than Lucas did with the PT. Some people call out for a Disney boycott and are accusing them of milking the space cow. Capitalists they are indeed, but if you boycott them, why not boycott all of capitalism? Why not throw away your smartphone and cancel your netflix account, etc...
Why is it acceptable that Star Wars movies have flaws when they're made by Lucas, but not when made by Disney? Allthough I have no doubts Lucas loved his own artistic child, he had capitalist motives too.

And the people who didn't like it, they can still narrow their canon to 1-6 or even 4-6.

 

For every person that dislikes a film, there are others that enjoyed it and vice versa. Nothing proves this more than the prequel trilogy which, by the definition of many, should've killed the saga and yet today there are literal legions of devoted fans to what many called some of the worst films ever made. One would think the fandom would've learned something from this considering it's had somewhere around a decade to learn this.

 

Ever since ROTJ, I’ve had my ideas as to how the story should shake out. I finally decided to accept the story of the PT, the ST and just enjoy them for what they are: more SW. I got 9 movies to watch now as I try to enjoy the good parts and don’t obsess over the bad parts.

 

No, but I'm happy Ben is gone...

 

Nobody is ever really gone......

 

Short version: No.

Long version: No. Stop being over-dramatic

 

My personal opinion, I definitely like the ST more than PT. Ik I'm a minority here but I liked Luke in TLJ and idk why some people hate on the force awakens. I just saw ROS tonight and honestly I liked it I really liked it. SPOILER


I thought it was creative to make Rey a palpatine. And I think her building her own saber and chilln on tatooine was a good ending. It leaves it open for more expansion in fans minds and settles the galaxy again. The first order is done since Kylo is gone and the emperor is definitely dead now. And the whole galaxy basically came together to overthrow the order. Now its starwars so theres always gonna be the possibility for more stuff to happen. But honestly kylo grew on me as a character and so did Rey. I feel like that incredibles 2 meme. " starwars is starwars" and I've been a fan for a long time. I understand criticisms like honestly even being a palpatine Rey shouldn't be that adept at the force so early and like why couldn't luke stay physically alive for longer? But honestly I think the new movies are good and better than the prequels. Just an opinion though.

 

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Hey, that's a quote from a film you don't like, cheater...

 

Of course the ST trilogy is much better than the PT. And your not a minority if you like TLJ. A lot of people on this forum has TLJ as the best sequel, and some of them even as a best SW ever.