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SPOILER Did Sequel Trilogy kill Star Wars Saga?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by KOBRAkon, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. Clankershot

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    Ok now I wouldn't go that far. Lol
     
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    We're going to be dealing with this "question" with every movie aren't we?


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    Yep. I agree. I really enjoyed TFA in the cinema (afterwards I saw the flaws, as is usual with a JJ film, but hey it was fun). I was massively let down by TLJ and TROS was, again, after the first viewing, the typical JJ film. Looks great. Sounds great. Dont' think or the flaws start to become apparent.

    Having said that, the idea that Star Wars is dead is silly. For some it might be. That's gonna happen for various reasons. People's palate changes over time. For example I don't enjoy the same novels I did when I was 18 (some I do, like Dune and the Lord of the Rings. But just look at the reaction to The Mandalorian. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who dislikes it, even amongst the so-called "Fandom Menace."

    So no, Star Wars isn't dead. It may not be the juggernaut Disney imagined it would be when they bought it back in 2012. But to say it's dead is just silly. As someone above pointed out, you can have your own "fan-canon" (I know I do) and it can be comprised of whatever you want. OT/PT/EU books whatever. But the IP is not dead.
     
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    The ST lead me to the Cantina and I enjoyed SW movies in theaters with my son. If that's not enough to love it, I don't know.. :D
     
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    I think the ST was a metaphor for a passing of the torch to the next generation. Luke, Leia and Han passed the torch in the movies and the OT generation passed the torch to the next generation too. That’s where TROS succeeded for me in that they gave Luke, Leia and Han the farewell that gave me closure on the Saga as a fan.
     
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    Star Wars is a family thing, inside the story as well as outside. I'm really looking forward to the moment my kids can watch Star Wars movies. For me they are too young at the moment. But they all know daddy loves those movies, they know Chewbacca, Yoda, Luke, Rey, Darth Vader, Kylo Ren... Not to mention my teenage nephew who went to the cinema with us. Star Wars dead? The baton is passed to many younglings.
     
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    ideally i like would like to see the ST thrown out and started again with Lucas original blueprint and a new director(s). Leia would have to written out somehow (died in childbirth perhaps) but it would surely leave the franchise in better footing long-term. yes the story and overall lore, character 'building' was that bad.

    of course this will never happen and Disney have invested too much in the new canon but it will forever be a stain on Star Wars. remarkable when you consider what they had to work with, the possibilities for an epic new trilogy.
     
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    Ironic
     
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    The latest installment alone is about to yield one billion. People like Star Wars and they are paying to see it. I don't see anyone dead.
     
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    Star Wars went about a decade without a new live action film, almost no video games, and personally my interest waned to almost complete apathy. The Clone Wars was really the only thing going on.

    Since then, we've gotten Rebels, The Mandalorian, spinoff films, more shows on the way, tons of board games and comics, novels, etc.

    I get that someone doesn't like the sequels, but 2019/2020 are looking to be the best years of Star Wars since the early 2000s. How on earth could someone think it's been "killed"?
     
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    They didn't like a movie so therefore refused to engage in any other media of Star Wars they may actually like. So they assume everyone did the same because of inherent human biases.

    Oh and a near fully immersive Star Wars theme park opened up. But it's dead!
     
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    I'll never understand it. It's almost like they want Star Wars to die...
     
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    Hear Hear on this thread! SW is not dead! @Jedi77-83 and @oldbert great posts my friends!
     
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    I have stated that I strongly disagreed with the direction of the ST, and although I liked TROS a lot more than the first two, I am not changing my overall opinion. I can definitely see an argument for the idea that the ST ruined Star Wars.

    But here’s the thing - if you don’t like the ST, you don’t have to watch it. My “head saga” is 1-6 plus R1, and I still love Star Wars in the version that I prefer. It doesn’t have to be a question of ruining the entire franchise - if it doesn’t fit with your vision, you can just think of it as “fan fic” or disregard it entirely.
     
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    No, but for me the ST was disappointing, I loved TFA, hated TLJ and TROS was only just above average.

    The problem was that there seems like there was no plan for the trilogy from the start and the blame for that is Kathleen Kennedy's. If she had intended using different directors then there should have at least been a plan for the three films put in place, instead we had TFA and TLJ feeling like two completely different stories and TROS feeling like a rescue mission, all of which made the the trilogy suffer.

    In many ways the ST is better than the PT, visually, dialogue etc. However where the PT is better is it's story and regardless of my many criticisms of their execution, there is that coherent story running through the three films and because of that I rate in higher that the ST.
     
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    Nah Star Wars will be fine. It survived decades without movies before, so it can survive a few years without one now.
    TFA is one of my favorite Star Wars movies of all time; TLJ gave me so much respect for Rian Johnson even if I vehemently disagree with his characterization of Finn and Poe; but TROS...well...I've made my disappointment with that movie loud and clear, and I don't want to spend any more time on it. But it HAS severely dampened my interest in future movies. I'll see them, if only to talk to some of my friends about them - so my dampened feelings don't account for much there - but I don't see myself investing in any new comics, books, or games unless the creator has a proven track record AND I'm interested, or unless I vet the story extremely carefully. And honestly I don't see as many of my friends dishing out money to go see what amounts to a mediocre or unasked movie in their eyes (unless I organize a group watching on opening night, and with my dampened interest, I doubt I'll be doing that much anymore).

    Star Wars can't provide me with what I want or need as a whole, but I can still enjoy bits and pieces.

    Overall, I'm limiting my consumption to Star Wars as a whole (to Claudia Gray books, a Jedi: Fallen Order sequel, and any new shows be it cartoon or live action). Project Luminous might change this, but we'll have to wait until after the announcement to see. I doubt I'll be the only one limiting Star Wars consumption, but Star Wars will gain so many new die-hard fans that it'll balance out.
     
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    The potential Star Wars had when Disney bought it was immense. This Trilogy should have blown the Marvel movies out of the water. But...then we got JJ and Rian Johnson and between the two of them they somehow managed to create a Trilogy that not only disappointed large portions of their fan-base, but somehow managed to generate less and less revenues with each movie.

    If you look at the other two most recent big epic movie franchises (Harry Potter and Marvel) and the final movies in their series, (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 and The Avengers End game) both ended up being the high point of the franchises. Episode 9: Rise of Skywalker should have been the biggest event in the history of Star Wars. The culmination of 40 years of the Skywalker story should not have been a "Meh" moment that was met mostly with indifference and failed to gross even as much as Black Panther.

    Star Wars isn't dead, it's just been reduced to a sad shadow of it's former glory.
     
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    Yes and no. I think it's killed a lot of interest in most things set during the ST era for a lot of fans; I know it has for me. TFA and TLJ are the only two Star Wars movies I've ever actively disliked and the whole ST era just feels lazy and boring; I didn't even bother seeing TRoS because of my feelings on the previous two. Then there's the fact that the ST never justified its existence and the undoing of the original ending for the Saga. However, the release of The Mandalorian & TCW season 7 proves that the franchise as a whole is not dead yet, it's just been damaged. I think things set prior to the ST era will due fine for the most part, but they need to wait a few years before venturing into the time frame after TroS, if they ever decide to go there.
     
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    There is a live action Star Wars TV show. There have been 3 animated shows. Countless canonical comic books and novels. Two new video games. 5 new movies. An entire theme park that is almost entirely immersive for the visitor. Yes. It's clearly a shadow of itself

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    You may not be enjoying it for whatever reasons, but there has pretty much never been a better time to be a Star Wars fan in terms of quality content.
     
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