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Did Sequel Trilogy kill Star Wars Saga?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by KOBRAkon, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. RoyleRancor

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    1. Yes it does still take skill. You still have to fly a ship. You can't not know how to jump to lightspeed, turn the ship, aim it and calculate the jump to not miss ALONE AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME and still do this.

    2/3. So if the enemies sees a ship on autopilot or flown by a droid, they know to not engage. It's a trap. The whole point of Holdo staying in the Raddus was to make sure they [The First Order] knew it was still being flown by a human pilot. This is said as text in the film. As for the junkyard, again, it requires resources the Resistance wouldn't have. You'd have to get them into flying shape. Then to a position to make the jump without being blown up. You are greatly altering the facts to suit you not liking something. These reasons are why kamikaze pilots are not exactly common and it was such a big thing when the Japanese did it at Pear Harbor. It is insanely costly and you can really only do it once.

    4. What is a war crime the Holdo Maneuver? Using droids for suicide missions? Either way, remember, the Rebels/Resistance are the good guys. You can have a Saw exist but you can't essentially have Leia be a proxy to war crimes.

    5. How does Hux disprove it by looking at it? That feels a lot of your own fan fiction there. And the rest of this has nothing to do with the Holdo Maneuver and feels like you're just baiting for responses with this post. I'll let people with more sway than I have figure that out for themselves.
    But based you made that thread just to seemingly shitpost, I think I'm probably on the right track here.
     
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  2. Embo and His Pet Anooba

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    I will attempt to clear things up.
    For one thing, they could hyperjump from halfway across the galaxy. The First Order would never see it coming!
    For number 3, I agree you would have to fix up the ships. But even if they used cruisers like the Mon Cala ones, it is trading a Mon Cala Cruiser for a Super Star destroyer, and in my eyes that would be worth it.
    For number 4, it’s just that Rian Johnson said that hyperspace ramming was a war crime.
    And for number 5, I apologize for being vague. Hux has an expression of fright, knowing what will happen, and orders the gunners to blow up the ship before it can go hyperspeed. This would disprove another reason that Rian Johnson gave, being that the Raddus had an experimental shield as Hux knew that the hyperspace ramming would be devastating and didn’t know about the shield. And if he did know, then he would have issued orders for special precautions.
     
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    1. Then they'd have to know exactly where to come out at exactly the right time. Almost impossible. Just as likely to miss all together.

    2. Your eyes have already proven distrustful on the matter. You are still dismissing the overall cost for the Resistance. Not just the cost of a Mon Cala for a Star Destroyer.

    3. Rian was probably being tongue in cheek because no actual answer will suffice for those who didn't like it and most of his answers are tongue in cheek. And this brings up a very important point: these trivial little things literally only matter to people on here and other places like this. Lucas didn't care about them. Film makers shouldn't let silly blast like this get in the way of the story.

    4. If you know a baseball is being thrown at your face, even if you have a mask on, you still are going to flinch. You see a ship coming at you, you flinch. Special shields or not, it could still take out the bridge of the SSD.

    These sort of flimsy issues with things in Star Wars will unravel the whole series. You either accept the things or you don't.
    That's fine. But don't act like this is somehow the most absurd thing ever.
     
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    Very well! I shall cease my chattering.
     
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    Not a great ending to the saga but not really an addition that ruins it all either
     
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    Not at all. The trilogy as a whole wasn't great, but individually I quite liked the movies.
     
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    Did you forget the prequels? If the franchise survived that, it'll be fine after this series. Not to mention, TROS had a positive reception by fans, people LOVED The Mandalorian, and from what I hear The Clone Wars is doing well too. Franchise is fine.
     
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    Dave Feloni.

    nuf said.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 1, 2020, Original Post Date: May 1, 2020 ---
    Marvel built upon its past and SW sought to destroy its past.
     
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    And we can read a lot of people on line complaining about this Disney era. If they only knew the reception of the prequels back in 99 and early 2000's.

    If the prequels didn't kill the saga nothing will kill it.
     
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    TROS had a positive reception by some fans. It had a very negative reception by some too. My opinion is that the ST has divided fans more than the PT did. It's impossible to know for sure.

    Also just a personal experience... I have no memory of any of my hardcare Star Wars friends leaving any of the PT movies saying that they hated them. I have definitely heard that after the ST movies, mostly TLJ and TROS.
     
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    The world is a little bigger than you and your friends, bud.

    The Phantom Menace has a 53% and 59% at Rotten Tomatoes.
    AOTC has a 65% and 56% there.
    ROTS has an 80% and 66%
    The trilogy has an avg. of 66% from critics and 60% from fans.

    The Force Awakens has a 93% and 86% at Rotten Tomatoes.
    TLJ has a 91% and 43% there.
    TROS has a 52% and 86%.
    The trilogy has an avg. of 78% from critics 72% from the fans.

    The Phantom Menace has scores of 51 and 6.1 at Metacritic.
    AOTC has a 54 and 6.0
    ROTS has a 66 and 7.7.
    That's a 57 from critics and 6.6 from fans.

    The Force Awakens has an 80 and 6.8 at Metacritic.
    The Last Jedi has an 84 and a 4.3.
    The Rise of Skywalker has 53 and 4.8.
    That's a 72 from critics and 5.3.

    That's an almost universal preference of the sequels to the prequels.
     
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    Basically, if you claim the sequels/prequels/animated shows (intended for children!) “ruined” or “killed” your love for Star Wars...don’t worry! You didn’t truly love what came before.

    If your husband/wife/partner/girlfriend/boyfriend does something you don’t like, do you scream in their faces “you’ve ruined my childhood”, throw them in the bin and move on? No. The things you love about them still exist. Nobody/nothing is perfect, everybody/everything is flawed. If can’t look past the flaws and can only focus on what you don’t like, rather than what you do like...you do NOT love that person/thing.

    Star Wars can only be killed or ruined, if you kill or ruin it for yourself.
     
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    It's an interesting case study, so here's my take.

    The PT and ST reception was both divisive but for different reasons.

    The PT had clear sides when it was all said and done, as you had a section of strong PT fans and another section of strong Anti-PT fans. Yes, ROTS was the most popular of the 3 movies, but most fans still took a side on the whole Trilogy.

    The ST was different in that you had the TFA/TROS fans and the TLJ fans, as that was the first time you had infighting between a fanbase of the same Trilogy. TLJ fans and TROS look at Luke differently, look at 'Rey being a nobody,' then 'being a Palpatine' differently, The Death of Snoke differently, and the overall feel of the film too. That's what was so fascinating about the ST is that the fans didn't all take a side like the PT, they took a side within the ST.

    That's why I think the PT fanbase will probably being a stronger fanbase in years to come because (even though) they aren't as big as the OT fanbase, they are more solidified (especially after the Clone Wars shows). The ST will always have that split so they will never be unified. There will always be a section of TLJ fans that hate the return of Palpatine and Rey as his grandaughter. There will always be a section of fans who will say that TROS steered the ship back giving us hopeful Luke, a Somebody Rey, Poe/Finn/Rey back together, etc.

    Somebody is going to write a book on the SW fanbase someday and make alot of money! LOL
     
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    In my opinion, I never thought TROS was in conflict with TLJ storywise. We already see hopeful Luke at the battle of Crait (with an lightsabre, albeit illusionary). In both movies Rey has to find her true self, her own identity, be it as a nobody, be it as a Palpatine. For me the biggest difference between Rian and JJ is the style. I have issues with some scenes of TLJ which are too PT-like to me (especially the Pixar-style slapstick jokes). But I do love the deeper level and the fact that Rian put his own approach on it (whether fans like it or not). JJ is the more superficial director, but with great cinematography. He was good in creating the old school Star Wars-vibe, which I loved in TFA.

    Off course PT has clear sides: they're all made by the same director who supervised the whole process. And you might say the PT beats the ST in consistency, but also the OT! Although I liked ROTS more than AOTC, it's still suffering from the typical PT-flaws: wooden acting, fake CGI, stupid slapstick jokes...

    What I would like to read in this SW fanbase book is a study why SOME SW fans can be so black and white, either they love or hate it. When something doesn't match their expectations it's a crime. Their life and happiness seems to depend on director's choices.
    What's also funny about SW fans is that some just like the fights, the action, the ships, the technology… while others take part on deep, profound conversations about what 'balance' means in the SW universe.
     
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    No. You can't kill something beloved and adored that is over 40 years in the making because of some movies you don't like or agree with. There are currently 11 feature films in the SW universe, even if you hate all 3 of the ST that is only around 28% of the films. That is such a small number, by the law of averages your bound to not like some films out of 11, it would be incredible if you don't.

    I'm not the biggest fan of the ST by any means, they have positives and negatives like any film. But there is no way for me they have "killed" Star Wars.
     
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    Cheers,
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    @kuatorises Yes! Someone using data to prove a point. Well-done, from a data nerd. Totally agree.

    And by the way I lived through the reception of the PT as it happened.
     
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    I think there is no doubt that at the end of the sequel trilogy Star Wars is in a worst place that it was when it started. Each film made less money than the one before and instead of building momentum the opposite happened. The fandom is at each other throats. The plan for a film every year has been scrapped. The behind the scenes planning of future projects seems to be nothing short of a car crash.

    But dunno about killing the Star Wars Saga, i still think we will get an episode 10 (or a full reboot) in about 10-15 years, but it has certainly made a mess of things. People still love star wars, so i don't think its dead. Certainly a bit wounded though
     
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