SPECULATION Did Snoke Force drain Luke?

i find the tiny breadcrumbs in Aftermath and other sources about the possibility of "draining" to be intriguing, but if anything they seem to me to indicate that Snoke (whatever he may be) is thriving off others' power, but not necessarily siphoning it. i think it's doubtful that Luke has lost his connection to the Force, but more likely his fear of Snoke empowering himself on it might always be another reason he's kept away.

Snoke likes Ben's Dark/Light, though clearly favors Ren Ben to stay in the Dark where he's obedient. could be that any Force is a power source for him. and he may or may not consume it (and its bearers) in proximity.

 

It reminds me of how Vader allegedly survived while in space in his TIE after Han knocked him out by using the force to stay alive and hibernate of sorts...so Snoke might be doing the same thing to be BARELY alive until he heals by using the force as a lifesupport instead of using another person/alien
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if Snoke has been quiet all this time, watching the galaxy, it's possible he was too weak to do otherwise due to whatever it was that injured him. he needed prey to grow stronger and found Ben. and for all we know Ben fed Luke's other pupils to him. so he's just been subsisting off of Ren Ben's Force power (probably without Ren even knowing it).

i dunno, i'm just making stuff up as a point of conjecture ~ hahaha

 

Yeah no I get you lol...it would make more sense for Snoke to slowly drain Ben's power instead of Luke's...but considering how pwoerful he seems to be in TFA then also (maybe off topic) imagine how powerful he was before
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Pretty much a lie. Pablo is out for his own glory rather than building on the success of the Star Wars franchise. The Map obviously showed hops from one planet to the next. I do not think hyper drive requires anyone to hop from planet to planet.

And yes I am not a Pablo fan. Cronal and Snoke are just sad copies of Plaguies. Someone trying to get credit for others inspiration.

 

It could be like those nautical navigation charts where a ships course needs to be plotted in a non-linear way to avoid obstacles/hazards. It doesn't seem entirely clear as @AstromechRecords pointed out with Han's dialogue. There are heroes points on both sides.

 

Snoke has officially been described as humanoid, but not human. I take that as he is not, and has not, been human before

But who knows...

 

AFAIK this comes from a quote from Serkis, which could possibly mean the hologram (although that looks more than 7 feet to me).

"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" gotta love that dialogue Mr Lucas

 

Yeah...the hologram is like 10 times that lol but he was sitting up on a "throne" during filming snd still said he is that tall so that's why i said that..

 

There's nothing new under the sun!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I'm glancing from Wookiepediea and the Star Wars wiki, Cronal first appeared in 1993 and then again in 2003, whereas Plagueis didn't appear until the first draft of RotS in 2003, and wasn't known to most audiences until the movie's release in 2005. And even then he wasn't really given too much detail until 2007 and then again in 2012 when his book came out (by which point Cronal had been around for a while and his story was already told in the comics). As for Snoke, we don't know enough about him to call him a "sad copy of Plagueis." They might be built off of the same idea - "might" being the key word here - but other than descriptions matching a hypothetical situation, I'm not sure anyone in Lucasfilm ever said anything about Snoke and Plagueis being even remotely similar. Not even misleading promotional art and trailers.

But I digress from the main argument. @master_shaitan, really interesting idea! I sadly can't read it in-depth right now, but I'll definitely do so in the future! The one thing I'd like to address though is the idea of limiting Luke's powers. I'm personally not a fan of that; not because I want a God-Mode Luke, but because I just never really pictured Luke ever achieving that state.

 

I have to say this is a very well thought out and interesting theory but I don't think Luke has had his powers drained or is powerless. Luke has just suffered a huge loss and has failed at the task that was set before him "Pass on what you have learned." He was attempting to do just that and all went wrong. I think he went to Ach-to to meditate with the Force. To try to learn where he went wrong. To learn from his mistakes. Although he is powerful, Luke knows there is a consequence to every action. He may be staying out of Galaxy wide events and not widely using the Force as he is waiting for the Force to signal to him when the time is right to act. The Force itself has been lying dormant awaiting for that time as well. In TFA, the Force awakens. Rey finding Luke is the sign Luke as been waiting for. The Force is influencing events to make that happen.

The interesting thing will be in to see in VIII if Luke recognizes right that area is the sign he is waiting for, or if he can trust himself to listen to the Force and take action right away.

 

I also think the force draining could be a story element in the ST and maybe even for the backstory of Luke. I still have no plausible explanation why Luke was not around when his students were killed. Luke must have been attacked at the same time, so he could not save his students. An attack with such a weapon could be the explanation.

Additionally if Luke is affected by this weapon and not god-like powerful anymore, he could be longer around in the ST without overshadowing the new characters.

 

I think you are on the right track, but I don't think Luke has been "drained".

 

A thought came to me while reading your responses which are very interesting. I'm in no way bashing Luke or Jedi Lore, but remember Luke is still discovering new information about the Force as well as ancient Jedi practice, which may turn our understanding of it on its head. My point is maybe the twist is that the "light side" is the problem in relation to dealing with dark side users, and haven't figured out the way to deal with them or preventing those lightside users from turning. It's probably a reason why Luke went to the first Jedi Temple.
My other thought is perhaps it's Luke's immense power that throws everything off balance and a reason why he's also on Ach-to and hesitant to use it as well as train Rey? Maybe Rey is prophesized to be the one to stop Luke and Kylo and rebalance the Force?

 

but Rey also seems to be very powerful as seen in TFA and this without any training. So Rey would have to stop herself as well.

 

Ach-to could very well be the source of the light side of the force where Luke could regain his powers and learn more about ancient Jedi understanding of the force. But if he's as powerful as they say he is in the film, would that not add to the imbalance as it is implied Snoke is very afraid of him.

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Yes, that's very true as well, night angel. Very interesting though. I think our understanding of the force will change as Luke I'm sure will shed some light on it. I hope that they don't make it hokey though.

 

I find it hard to believe that the dark side is something good to achieve or needed for balance. I think much more that the balance means to balance the light and the dark in oneself instead of separate entities. I thought Luke managed this at the end of ROTJ, but it seems this was not the case. I wonder why.