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SPECULATION Did Snoke Force drain Luke?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Sep 17, 2016.

  1. Demsa Aztor

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    That's a good point you're making about balance of both light and dark within oneself. I don't think the reign of the dark side will balance the force, I'm just saying that maybe if Luke is powerful, that also adds to the imbalance? Who knows. I think he's recollected himself in exile, but also guarding and protecting whatever is on this planet. I think Acho-tu is so potent with force power that it's made Luke very powerful, although hesitant to use it. He realizes or in a vision senses he needs to act as guardian to protect this source.
     
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    There is the large question of where was Luke when Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren attacked and destroyed Luke's other students. Notably, the amount of students has yet to be disclosed. Trying to look at it realistically. How many students could have Luke taken on? Ben was his Padawan, surely, but what about the other students? I imagine 10-15 max, maybe even less? I mean, how many Jedi could Luke have trained all by himself. Not to mention finding Force-sensitives is rare enough as it is. As far as whether Snoke drained Luke, I doubt it. I do think Kylo and Snoke perhaps laid a trap for Luke so he would be distracted when Kylo attacked the Temple and killed Luke's other students.
     
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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_Force

    That's plausible enough for me...

    (edited for spoiler tag)
     
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    The most simple answer of where Luke was when his Jedi temple fell was that he was out searching for Jedi lore. It has already been established in canon that he was doing this. It would not seem out of the ordinary for him th go on n brief trips searching for certain items. The visual dictionary states that he travelled with Lor San Tekka and in Bloodline he appears to be off traveling with Ben. If Luke is going on these missions from time to time, it would easy for Ben to take advantage of this and execute his attack while Luke is away.
     
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    You'd think that Luke would at least sense that was happening .
     
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    "Did you know that Sith could sometimes drain Force energy from their captives, siphoning life from them and using it to strengthen their connection to the Dark Side? Extending their own lives as well, so that they could live for centuries beyond their intended exipration."

    How do folks think "Force draining" would work? What would it look like?

    My guess is that, if it is real, it will be more about draining one's life energy. I'd have originally suggested it could be about midichlorians but I can't see them going down that path.

    In the latest Star Trek film, the villain Krall has the power of energy transference, where he literally drains the life out of his captives:

    After losing most of his crew, he and a few survivors stumbled upon some kind of alien technology that helped extend their lives. Supposedly, this alien technology gave them the ability to survive off the energy of living beings — hence the energy transference. It is this energy transference and prolonged life that altered Krall's appearance, and the man who once looked like Elba now looks like a scaly alligator man.

    Now, getting back to the Force - it is of course "an energy field created by all living things". Thus in my mind, life creates the positive, negative and grey energy that in turn creates/joins the Force. So every action and perhaps thought, good, bad or neutral, creates energy. This energy joins the Force which then connects everyone and penetrates all living things. This essentially creates a symbiotic circle. Beings create the Force - The Force connects all living things - Both sustain the other.

    In an original concept image of Luke, thought up by Kathleen Kennedy, Luke Skywalker is buried in sand - motionless. What if this is a metaphor for what has happened to him? His life and hope drained from him?

    But how do you steal the energy from within a being? For me this could link back to that symbiotic circle. What if Force draining is all about flooding a person with the Dark Side? We know the Dark Side is selfish and cancerous and thus disrupts the symbiotic circle. What if, like the Dementors in Harry Potter, Luke has been both physically and emotionally plagued by the Dark Side? Perhaps this has severed his connection to the living Force (as the Dark Side acts as a barrier to the living Force or simply destroys it) whilst at the same time, the despair and horror that he then felt (and generates) is what empowers the being who is using this terrible power?

    So let's imagine that Snoke and Ren lure Luke away from his Jedi Order. Ren then goes and destroys the Jedi whilst Luke is held captive by Snoke. Snoke then physically tortures Luke and creates terrible visions (I have a feeling Snoke is a master at that) that severed the Jedi's connection to the Force and Snoke fed off of the resulting darkness. Now this might've been something Snoke has been doing for a long time to sustain himself or he might've made a deal with the Dark Side more recently. But I think this is how Snoke survives. I think he was terribly injured somehow and this is why he turned to the Dark Side - to keep himself alive.

    I think Luke might've then managed to escape somehow before Snoke had finished with him but was too late to save his Jedi students. Weakened, vulnerable and utterly soul destroyed, Luke takes himself off to Ahch-To to recover and also try and find a way to combat this new terrible evil. Whilst there, he helplessly feels the loss of his best friend and the destruction of the Hosnian System. This further depresses Luke - and in order to recover he needs hope. Enter Rey...
     
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    We have not always the same opinion, but regarding a very good reason for Luke to be away, we have similar ideas. I can live with this force draining idea, since it was even originally an idea from Lucas. Maybe these pics on the right have something to do with it and what you explained. ;)

    [​IMG]
     
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    Luke being a force-drained jedi would definately be a twist, no doubt about that... Using this as the basis of truth, I wonder how Luke would be able to train Rey, since at this point she's pretty powerful, even without formal training.

    Does anybody know if there are any instances in Star Wars of "force draining" somebody, essentially removing one's powers? This reminds me of the masked guy Amon in Season 1 of "Legend of Korra."
     
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    These pictures of Luke in sand is a KK's idea

    http://io9.gizmodo.com/13-story-ideas-that-were-dropped-from-star-wars-the-fo-1749962882
     
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    I have to echo the thought that Snoke if he had or could drain Luke that he would not fear Luke's return.

    I think its more likely that some type of vampiric ability has been discovered in various dark side magics. Clearly Mama Talzin knew it. Her antics seemed to require time and ritual.
     
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    But when he talks of Luke's return he says "the new Jedi will rise". It strikes me that it perhaps isn't Luke's might himself that he is concerned about but what Luke can do in terms of training new Jedi. I mean, why would they fear Luke himself when they have already defeated him and Ren himself seems keen to get to Luke which indicates that he thinks he can defeat him in battle...
     
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    Really cool pics.
     
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    "Immediately prior to his defeat at the hands of Revan, Malak attempted to harness a heretofore unexplored property of the Star Forge.< Using Jedi captured from the destroyed enclave on Dantooine, Malak was able to incorporate them into the Star Forge itself, which was seemingly capable of harnessing the power of Force-sensitives and channeling the power into a particular subject—in this case, Malak himself. The Jedi in the Star Forge were unable to become one with the Force while in this state, and Malak could use the energy inside the nearly lifeless bodies to regain his strength. The drained Jedi were apparently killed in the process. Revan sabotaged the system during his battle with Malak on the Star Forge Viewing Platform and it was subsequently destroyed along with the rest of the Star Forge."

    TSF = The Star Forge? :rolleyes:
     
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    There are drains on the Ahch-To island? :eek: Who knew! ;)
     
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    Yep for flushing the darkside away or handy escape route if the FO came knocking.
     
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    It has just been brought t my attention that Rax, aka Snoke, freed Tashu - Palpatine's adviser. The man who knows about Force draining (as mentioned in Aftermath).

    #SnokeForceDrainsLuke confirmed.

    Ps. Force draining linked to cheating death = #PlagueisAlsoPartiallyConfirmed
     
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    "Come to me with Kylo Ren. It's time to complete his training".

    Hmmm. Complete his training. Isn't immortality the ultimate ability for a dark sider? The final skill to acquire?

    I'm putting my money on Hux being drained by Snoke or even by Kylo Ren - which completes his training and makes him feckin' formidable!


    I also like to add that I think the "Plagueis" and "Snoke" themes are so familiar because they are simply the "Dark Side immortality theme". Thoughts, Shaitan?
     
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    SUDDEN REALIZATION: What if Luke and Snoke were lovers and he literally drained the Force out of Luke like how Delilah did Samson.
     
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    Yeah, well, l guess l should recognise it. lt's my design. What'd you do? Steal a key to my "Plagueis-based theories cabinet"?

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    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 30, 2016, Original Post Date: Nov 30, 2016 ---
    Nail. Head.

    Literally.
     
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    Then this would have happened.
    [​IMG]
     
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