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SPECULATION Did Snoke Force drain Luke?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Sep 17, 2016.

  1. nightangel

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    scary :p
     
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    I know it was scary thought Luke & Snoke being boyfriends going on a draining date.
     
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    I'd be massively shocked if this Force draining idea isn't in the trilogy in some way...


    This is how I think it goes down:

    A thousand years ago (which could just mean a very long time ago), something happened on Jakku at a particular site that was significant for the galaxy.
    Jakku was once a rich and fertile planet which was turned to dust.
    Palpatine excavated the significant site when he became Emperor, buried something there and had Rax guard it.
    When Palpatine died and Rax orchestrated the Battle of Jakku, he took whatever was there away with him.
    A few years later and Rey is born - with incredible power. And it seems that this signifies life returning to Jakku (the flower growing in the AT-AT).
    In Aftermath, Tashu, Palpatine's adviser, talks about the ancient Sith power of Force draining.

    I believe that a long long time ago, either a direct connection to the Force/the Dark Side or whatever occurred on Jakku - maybe through some kind of Force tree. A similar tree existed on Ahch-To where the Jedi built there first temple. They worshipped the tree and connected to the Force through it. The twin tree, on Jakku was abused by the Sith who built their first Sith temple there. They plundered the tree for its power, connecting them deeply to the Dark Side (making them very powerful). This abuse of the tree drained the Force itself from Jakku rendering it dead. Later, the Jedi defeated the Sith, took the Force tree or a sapling and perhaps took it to another of their temples.

    Many years later Palpatine learns of this. He of course acquires the Force trees and takes one back to Jakku where he buries it again - hoping to connect with the Dark Side itself and become supremely powerful - draining the Force from all life and empowering himself with it. It'll take time for the tree to grow however and he dies before he can use its power. Rax however, takes over. The power the tree provides him mutates him. He becomes utterly corrupted and becomes Snoke.

    Then, after the tree is removed, the Force/life begins to return to Jakku. Rey is born and during her time on Jakku, near the source of where the tree was, is imbued with great power (we know from Shattered Empire that the Force trees themselves can offer Force power).

    Previously, the Empire under Palpatine's guidance sought to weaponise the Force tree and find a way in their research/weapons facility to use it to force drain environments and people. Rax/Snoke succeeded in this and used it on Luke. This weakened Luke but he managed to escape (after witnessing the destruction of his Jedi students) and he goes to the First Jedi Temple to heal by the original Jedi force tree and hopefully one day return to destroy Snoke. Luke knows he is the only one with the knowledge to stop Snoke so it was imperative to remain in exile, even when his friends and family were in grave danger. Finally, a girl turns up with a signal that the Force has indicated it is time to strike back against the Dark Side....
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    Edit: It might be however that Rey's father worked for the Empire at the research facility and after being betrayed by Rax, took the tree himself. That's why Rey was born so powerful. She was born in the presence of the tree. Rax, desperately needing the tree to heal himself/get more power turns to Tashu (who he frees from prison) and discovers more about the Force draining that he [Tashu] spoke of in Aftermath. Otherwise, Rax simply frees Tashu to help him plunder the Force tree/Force draining weapon.
     
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    It all make sense, but I simply cannot get on board with "force trees".

    Plagueis Lives?
     
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    I'm fighting against agreeing with you... i really want to disagree with you lol, but that was a bloody good read @master_shaitan ;)

    you poor sap. i'm rooting for you to be-leaf in force trees :p

    yeah i know.. that's really not good lol.
     
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    Force tree in Shattered Empire.
    Force tree spotted on Ahch-To.

    It's happening. Accept it.
     
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    Oak-K, I'm in!

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    Idk, I like the theory, but I think it's again too convoluted for the average fan/movie goer that Disney wants to attract.

    Also, his disappearance sort of reminds me of ROTJ when he lets EVERYONE try to save Han from Jabba's palace before finally intervening. Where the F was he then? haha I know it was just a plot device to get them all together in a mission again, but damn duuuuuu.
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    Actually, I take it back. If they mentioned force drain in the canon novels then I'm almost fully convinced you're right! At least with that they are using it to power such a weapon as Star Killer. This would almost excuse Star Killer from being so odd and generic feeling and turn it into an awesome ancient Sith tool! Bravo!!
     
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    Ha! Thanks!

    Yes, the idea lends itself to how they designed the Starkiller base but also provides a future weapon that is different a more deadly - a weapon that doesn't just destroy but literally absorbs the force for someone use as if they're a god. This is the kind of power I imagine Palpatine craved and singing that would make episode IX exciting without regurgitating another Death Star idea!

    "The ability to destroy a plant is insignificant next to the power of the force".

    The fact they mentioned force draining, brought in Force trees and have alll this stuff on Jakku that links into both gives me great confidence in his theory.
     
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    Yeah, man. I'm really digging this theory. AND IMO is the only way they can really redeem how much I disliked Star Killer base AND redeem Luke running away.
     
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    Possibly, because Luke could've saved Han from dying,so maybe a Snoke did because Luke would've saw it before it would have happen.
     
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    Would someone give me a quick lesson on what the significance or theories of Jakku is from the canon novels? It would be much obliged :)
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    As much as I love this theory and hope it's true there is a major downside... We'll probably have to wait another movie before we get to see Luke go full ape sh*t Master Jedi on all them fools. :/
     
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    Mayyn.. I had my doubts about Rian and his experince in film, but everything he's saying is most encouraging. Raiders is brilliant from start to finish and classic Speilberg is the guy you definitely want to study in the Fantasy/adventrure genre. I'm glad he appears to not look at SW as a Sci-Fi because it is not.
     
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    Yeah even George Lucas has said that it's not sci-fi...he says that it's a space opera..
     
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    It's so obviously a Fantasy based in a Sci-Fi Universe. I can't stand when people refer to it as a Sci-Fi.
     
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    I've seen listings on websites that call it "sci-fi" or "Sci-fi/fantasy sci-fi"
     
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    I get that and that's warranted, but when people complain that something isn't scientifically correct or that things aren't explained.. It's supposed to be just good old fashioned film making which is why storm troopers (like the nazis in Indiana Jones) are comically crappy soldiers. Or the droids are dumb. It's a tale of good and evil. Of family and friendship. Betrayal and love. That's fantasy.
     
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    You know, the name of the track for when Luke enters the cave on Dagobah is "The Magic Tree".
    I'd forgotten that.

    In an official behind the scenes picture of a concept art meeting for TFA there was a picture of said scene in the background. I theories a number of times that this place would figure somehow in the sequels. I also wondered if here would be more detail given about why Yoda was in Dagobah.

    What if the "evil tree" was the reason? What if he was guarding it? What if Luke is in Ahch-To for similar reasons? And what of the two trees that Luke discovered in Shattered Empire with Shara Bey? Luke was surprised that there were two trees. And was specifically looking for the tree that Palpatine stole from the temple on coruscant. I'm wondering if these trees come in pairs (twins) and provide both light and dark energy to those that are around them.

    We know that the trees can imbue people with the force itself. So I think there is a chance that, if Palpatine did indeed place another tree on Jakku, that he would've sought ways to do the opposite with them and/or imbue himself permanently with greater power/immortality. He just missed the chance but Snoke didn't - though it corrupted him totally. Perhaps...
     
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    some of the latest Luke rumors point to a weak Luke, so maybe this theory is true in the end. :oops:
     
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