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SPECULATION Did Snoke Force drain Luke?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Sep 17, 2016.

  1. Edgeguts

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    I would personally hate for this 'force draining' of Luke.
    It was hard enough watching the Silver Samurai take away Wolverines power
     
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    But if they're going down the route of Force trees imbuing people with the Force, albeit temporarily, why not the opposite? They had those two trees from the jedi Temple in a secret research facility (Shattered Empire comics)- what was Palpatine trying to do with them?

    The fact that Tashu mentions Force draining, that Palpatine would surely have sought ways to become more powerful and cheat death and that something has kept Luke away for this long, I think indicates some kind of Force drainage is possible.

    But I agree, how they visualise that on screen is make or break. It was quite interesting what they did in Star Trek Beyond with the bad guy's life essence transfer in that...
     
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    Maybe Palpatine's force lightning did - or at least it would've done some damage...
     
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    I think with that much lightning going through his balls that would rule out Luke ever having kids , so Rey probably not from his loins :O
     
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    As interesting as force draining sounds, I think it'll need to come into play in Rebels or one of the comic books before it's used in XIII.

    It's a pretty far out concept for the general audience to grasp, and a lot of the fanbase probably didn't pick up on its one line mention in Aftermath.
     
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    If Snoke Force Drained Luke, Why is he so worried about Luke returning? If he can pull that OG level stuff on Luke himself, just whoop his ass with Kylo and end it
     
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    Like I say in the OP, Snoke isn't worried about Luke's power but his knowledge:

    "If Skywalker returns then the new Jedi will rise".
    I reckon he'd be particularly concerned if Luke has discovered something that may help him defeat Snoke.
     
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    Still the point remains, why didn't he just kill him when he force drained him?
    He had every potential reason to at this point, but didn't.

    If this does turn out to be the case, it turns Snoke into a terribly cheesy Bond-esque villain who lets Bond die through some painstakingly long and elaborate device rather than shooting him in the head and giving him every chance to escape and save the day.

    Unlike this, Palps and Vader WANTED Luke alive when Vader could have easily squashed him several times.

    Snoke seemingly wanted Luke dead as a door nail.
     
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    Luke escaped.
     
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    So someone powerful enough to force drain Luke Skywalker and corrupt Ben Solo, let a weakened force-less Skywalker escape?

    Sorry, but I'm not buying that.
    That's just too much leaping and Bond-esque escaping stuff.
     
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    It's an interesting thought, but I really hope it isn't true. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, films where the "superhero" loses their powers can kind of lose their shine. Thor's a decent character, for example, but no one wants to see him walk around the desert without Mjolnir or his powers.

    Plus, we don't really need this as a reason for Luke's exile. We already have a few reasons for that.

    Though, Shaitan does make an interesting point that Luke is still valuable as a teacher.
     
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    Really though the origins of my theory here is that Luke will be too powerful to make any villain a decent adversary and Rey won't ever have to walk the hero journey alone (which is vital).

    I personally love superhero films when he hero is made vulnerable.

    I also found it odd how force draining was brought up in Aftermath. I think something has to be behind that...
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    Depends on how it's done. Perhaps he had help? Perhaps Snoke never had him fully restrained and being weak himself couldn't contain Luke. There must be some kind of non cheesy escape solution!

    What's also interesting is that Ren seems mighty confident in the idea that he could kill Luke. He is desperate in tfa to get the map so he can presumably confront Luke. Why would Ren think himself capable of beating a Jedi Master? I propose it is because Luke has lost some of his power.
     
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    This right here is the MOST COMPELLING reason proffered against Rey Skywalker to date. :D
     
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    Or it might explain why Rey is so powerful - supercharged Skywalker spunk.
     
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    True dat. Something similar seemed to work for the Fantastic Four when they got hit with those gamma rays...
     
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    It just seems overall like it would require too much to get to it.

    And Ren is a punk ass kid who killed his own father because Snoke got in his head. I'm sure he could convince Ren that Luke was holding him back and part of his problems.
     
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    Fair enough.

    But do you see there being an issue with a full power Luke? Would it allow room
    For Rey's character to take centre stage?
     
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    I do. Luke is smart, likely very aware of the situation where it's needed for someone to grow into his role.

    I expect a trial by fire for Rey. Luke sitting back and letting her learn...until the situation calls for him to light up his saber and stomp some wholesale KOR ass.
     
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    I've asked Pablo Hidalgo 5 times now over several months whether Force draining is a canon power. He is yet to respond.
    Sure, this doesn't mean that much - but he has answered all my questions on Plagueis and other big issues.

    But on this...silence.

    Discuss.
     
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    Force Drain has come up in canon though it hasn't specifically been called by that name.......and it has appeared a few too many times to be ignored.

    1. Talzin draining force sensitive Bardottans in TCW.

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    2. Talzin draining Count Dooku to return from the spirit realm to the physica realm in Son of Dathomir.

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    3. Yupe Tashu saying the following in Aftermath-
    Did you know that Sith Lords could sometimes drain the Force energy from their captives? Siphoning life from them and using it to strengthen their connection to the dark side? Extending their own lives, as well, so that they could live for centuries beyond their intended expiration?

    4. In the Aphra comics, the Ordu Aspectu were rumored to have drained the lives of kidnapped jedi padawans to find a way to gain immortality for themselves.

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    Going by these canon examples, it is possible that Snoke drained Luke and/or his padawans to sustain himself or to return to the physical world....maybe Luke went to the first jedi temple to find a way to heal himself (Dooku was drained but managed to retain his force powers even after).

    I'm okay with two scenarios-

    1. Luke having lost his powers but having the knowledge to teach a new generation of jedi (like Ulic Quel Droma in the EU).

    2. Luke finds a way to regain his powers but isn't able to control them fully (like the MSW hut exploding and Luke levitating rumors).

    Neither scenario would take away from Rey as the hero of this trilogy.
     
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