SPECULATION Did Snoke Force drain Luke?

Usually I'd agree with you, but for the general audience a lot of the force/magic/fantasy stuff is out of their grasp. Most dummy's just want to see action which is why Rogue One got such high praise. It wouldn't take long to explain that Snoke and Ben set a trap for Luke using an ancient weapon. This could also explain how the death sta..eghhemm Star Killer base works a bit. An ancient Sith/Alien weapon would be easier to give credit to such power as draining a star because it is so foreign to us it can't be explained so it makes SK base less stupid. lol

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I actually think Luke did lose his powers via force drain trap by Snoke/Ben, but that seeking out the first Jedi Temple has the medi-chlorian count regenerating in his body so towards the end of ep 8 we'll see him back to full master a$$ kicking status.

 

@master_shaitan having read the Force drain theory:

assuming Snoke relies on the dark side of the Force to survive is just that: assumption. we can probably assume he has some connection to the Force, seeing as to how he mentions completing Kylo Ren's training, but to suggest he relies on the Force to stay alive is a stretch. we don't even know how old he truly is; he could just be a grandfather age, not hundreds or thousands and years. and besides, if he was so old, why isn't it because of his alien physiology, ala Yoda or Maz?

has it been confirmed in the new book that the site on Jakku was an ancient Sith site? i remember reading a Reddit blurb about this a day or two ago and although Palps kept some stuff there, i can't recall reading that it was definitely a Sith site.

what happens after being Force drained, i wonder? if Luke has indeed been drained, how did he survive? or is it not fatal? also, if Snoke did somehow drain Luke to support his own life, then why does he still look like a half dead zombie? surely absorbing the powers of a Skywalker would get you in pretty good shape! arguing that he was in even poorer shape prior to the Force draining or events of TFA is sort of ridiculous as he knew the Solos; unless he was a walking cadaver during their relationship, i assume draining Luke doesn't have to do with keeping him healthy.

i guess the Force drain is a potential avenue for the story moving forward, but i'm not sold just yet.

 

yeah, i'm hesitant to apply too much importance to the whole Force trees thing. it just feels too Tolkienesque in my head. also, they've only ever been mentioned in the comics, so again, i'm hesitant to apply too much importance to it in relation to the saga as a whole. for example, take Maul coming back again and again: it's important for fans, and for story lines that run parallel to the saga, but it doesn't really impact the core films. as far as those movies are concerned, Maul's been dead since TPM.

i'm not sure how important the Jakku facility is, but seeing as to how this planet plays a large part in TFA i'm willing to bet we haven't discovered all the secrets there yet. despite only appearing in the novels, this site Palps was so interested in will likely come into the saga films and play something of a role. how important it will end up being over all we shall see, but i do agree that something is up. it could just be that it lead the FO to developing the super weapon Star Killer, or it could have to do with the nature of the Force itself; who knows!

have you read that Reddit leak for the new book? some Canadian couple managed to get a couple copies and they were sharing stuff as they read through it. something about Palps sensing a dark side energy coming from beyond Jakku, in the unknown regions, an energy that even Vader seemed oblivious to. it also mentions how Rax thought Palps may have been losing it as no one else seemed to be supporting the theory of a mysterious dark side energy emitting from the beyond.

as for Luke's power level, i never thought of him being all powerful, nor would i expect him to be. even Vader, Palps, and Yoda are shown as not being all powerful, and they are arguably the strongest Force wielders canon has produced. Jedi aren't invincible or god like, they just have unique and powerful abilities. i predict that no Force draining took place in regards to Luke, and that although powerful, he is far from the uber character you are not wanting to see (understandably!).

 

First time reading this @master_shaitan , and it's a compelling argument.

Something I found especially intriguing, though, is how you spotted that the script depicts Snoke as being weak, perhaps even on the verge of death.

Seeing him use the Force on Rey - if this isn't a vision of some sort - in VIII, though? It's a bit soon to have our protagonist face the main villain, don't you think?

Unless he's not the main villain.

What if Kylo turns darker, killing Snoke in this film after he repeatedly asks him to stop harming Rey, before he takes her away himself?

 

My theory has always been Kylo will usurp Snoke to separate himself from Vader (who never could usurp Palpatine until the very end).
Kylo becomes the big bad by the end of the trilogy setting up the next one

 

I agree: I've thought either this or his redemption (or his own exile) would be the only real options for Kylo, and I've mentioned before about how this could set up he next trilogy quite well, with him as the primary antagonist once again.

But then...I don't really want to see X, XI and XII become a thing, personally.

 

I respect these thoughts from master shaitan.But personally im quite fed up with the Jedi,particularly the light side always to be portraited as a kind of weaker...passive holding back side.I would so like to see confident,pride light side warrior(s) ala Mace Windu, Qui gon and Obi one....taking names and kicking arse.Leading to badly supressed fear and doubts in the likes of Kylo.In the light of this I would prefer that Luke has his own personal reasons for his hiatus without painting him weak or mentally disillusioned.To me It works fine if he is actually pissed and bitter at Kylo..at himself... at many things.Leaving him to walk on the fine edge of the force...perhaps fearing or trying to figure out how to achieve that without falling to the darkside.That being one of the reasons he is a hermit and trying to consolidate old ancient Jedi texts.Maybe it all starts with Rey arriving,Lukes chance to teach her in the Jedi ways as he has come to understand them through his study of ancient texts...and to an extent.His own experiences.

 

Is there any doubt that Luke dies? Seems pretty obvious.

 

If they allow Kylo to be the next big bad, after this trilogy, I want another one. We've been without a new truly great iconic villain for so long. Let Kylo become that. Give him that chance.

 

You're so right, I do want Kylo to evolve into a Big Bad.

Let's see the XT and then call it quits, huh? My biggest worry is that the great John Williams might not be around to compose the score by then

 

would be a bit rubbish if the have done this, i want to see Luke kicking peoples ass, if they kill Luke off without us getting to see him as a full fledged jedi i will be properly be pissed!

 

Its Kylo and not Snoke that carries the emotion. It was Kylo that has destroyed the "Happily Ever After" of the OT:
1- He is a child of the rebellion's greatest heroes.
2- His betrayal destroyed the new generation of Jedi.
3- His fall seems to have broken apart the princess and the pirate.

That's all before the film starts.

4- In TFA he took the last steps in his Anti-Luke journey. Luke tossed aside his sabre, wouldn't kill his father and became a Jedi. Kylo when confronted with his father struck him down.

Is Snoke the leader of the 1st Order sure but the villain who took the most from the heroes is Kylo.

Don't buy the Reylo hype. Ren already is the main antagonist.

 

I think Luke lost his power himself by losing faith in himself.

 

I think this is more likely.
If the force does exist in everything, then losing belief in it would seemingly limit your ability.
It makes a ton of sense when you look at the force is *mostly* discussed in canon

 

But there is no proof he has lost power. There have been multiple actors saying Luke is going to be very powerful.

He is Merlin prior to Arthur pulling the sword from the Stone. Due to personal tragedy he flees to the wilderness to live as a hermit. Perhaps a touch of grief induced madness but now Excalibur has resurfaced.