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Did TLJ kill the tradition of fan theories?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. zazeron

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    game of thrones has real measurable impact on pop culture and will be discussed in decades time as landmark television....tell me if the sequel trilogy will ever reach that status
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    The sequel trilogy in a nutshell



    we must discuss
     
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    I'm not mad about TLJ I just don't see the point about making theories anymore. You can't make theories about a plot that does no longer follow the lines of traditional storytelling. What's the point of theorizing about the Knights of Ren for example. We don't even know if we will see them again thanks to the random plot of the sequel trilogy that doesn't even allow to predict how important or unimportant a character is.
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    Why not stop getting invested stories all together. Why not stop reading a novel halfway through. You'll never know how the novel ends but who cares. When did this fanbdom become so apathetic...
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    The thing that you don't seem to understand is that having people wonder what will happen next is great thing if you are a storyteller. You'll find fans of every succesful series of books, comics or TV show who try to predict what happens next based on what they have already seen. This is such a fundamentally important aspect to storytelling it baffles me how people can even turn this into a "well then you shouldn't have speculated about the plot" scenario. As an author you rely on on the audiences to pay attention to the movie and predict what will happen in the future. Without this there would be no suspense, no jokes, no plot twists. They all rely on the audience wondering what will come next. In a multipart series this concept transcends the individual installment but it still works in a similar way.
     
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  3. Andrew Waples

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    But it's not the films fault if it didn't meet your precious fan theories. I say it again, if we can all predict what's going to happen in 9 what's the point of going to the theater? Get creative then if you so desperately want to speculate.
     
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    In a now deleted tweet Rian Johnson said "You're working on the script up till the moment you lock picture." TLJ started shooting 3 months (!) after TFA was released in cinema, the final TLJ script was done only shortly before that. There was plenty of time for all kinds of changes which and Disneyhas a history of changes even late into production. R1 did it, SOLO did it, but of course TLJ wasn't influenced in any way by audience feedback.
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    Nobody is blaming the movie because their theory, that Snoke is the friend of the brother of Luke's distant cousin didn't turn out ot be true. They blame the movie for doing this: So you want to know what the secret is? You really do? All right here it comes. The secret is *drumrollls*... There is no secret! The movie did this multiple times. Many of the twists weren't clever as far as the plot is concerned but they only worked because they violated the rules of conventional storytelling. Let me give you an example.

    Our villain's name is Kylo REN. The Knights of REN appear in a forcevision which seems to be important because it happens to our HERO and we never had a forcevision like this before. Because of these factors the audience can savely assume that the knights of ren are somehow important. Why else would they even be in the movie? Then TLJ comes along and they are not even referenced. It would have been so easy to come up with "something" rather than "nothing".

    Again, and I already wrote this in the first post I made in this thread. Fan theorists aren't mad if their predictions turn out to be wrong. But not getting any answers at all is deeply unsatisfying. Star Wars isn't soem arthouse film trying to break the 4th wall, it's a very consistent, highly canonical story in form of trilogies. Somebody should have told that to Rian.
     
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    You aren't getting it. You all keep repeating the same thing ad nauseum without any detail. Using words such as your precious theory is full of negativity, and dlismissivesness. Pretending you had none going into the movie is crazy. Everyone has expectations. Otherwise why do anything? If I don't have expectations. I don't care, and you don't want that.
     
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    No, it would be fan fiction. Can't build a theory on a blank slate, can you? But not commiting to a continuous story seems to be thing now...
     
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    That's exactly the point, such 'progressive' approach is to some extent fine in an indie movie, but not within an existing iconic blockbuster series for the 8th part.
     
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    By now I honestly don't understand the trilogy format anymore. The saga could have ended after TLJ. I mean don't they have the spinoff movies to create self contained and experimental SW movies?
     
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    yep, but R1 (without the ending) was more a very traditional approach and I guess Solo will be also very traditional. These standalones would have been indeed perfect to try something new. No idea why within the existing series?
     
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    Ugh, I'm with @Lock_S_Foils here, we're speculating about whether or not the film had speculation in it. Yes you can, I just came up with a theory that Rey and Kylo are building up their perspective knights for an all out war in IX. Didn't even take five minutes.
     
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    You don't even know what a fan theory is, do you? What you did is an example of fan fiction. You just took existing characters and invented a story for them which isn't supported by any form of "evidence" (and as far as fan theories are concerned I use this term lightly). A fantheory would have to start with something like this: "we hear Obi Wan's voice in the forceback. Why would this happen if Rey wasn't somehow connected to Obi Wan?"
     
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    I guess will have to agree to disagee. Because with what Leia said to Rey regarding the saber, "we have everything we need." With Kylo now being the leader, he'll want to build up his knights of Ren.
     
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    How do you even know the knights of ren still exist, let alone that kylo is still in charge of them and wants to rebuild them. Again you don't seem to know the difference between a fantheory and fanfiction. The potential possibility of something isn't a theory. But I can now understand why you dislike fantheories. If I had the same misconceptons about fantheories that you seem to have I wouldn't like them either :)
     
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    I think we're splitting hairs. You can speculate on what will happen with variable evidence.

    Heck, for @Andrew Waples theory, he could've cited the Boyega claim that IX will be "the war to end all wars".

    Doesn't make it that solid of a theory, but this early in the game anything is gonna be hard to predict.

    Doesn't mean people can't have their fun. Let people enjoy things.
     
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    So then do you consider Reylo a fan theory or fiction? Because if all it is-is evidence from the movies, then my 'idea' should be considered a fan theory. Because A) I'm a fan and B) it's a theory and I'm not the one that's writing it (and thank god by the way).
     
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    Still love Star Wars but I honestly don't care about anything IX related. I'm not excited, I'm not theorizing. What's the point? Is this what Lucasfilm wanted? Apathetic fans, well, they have a whole lot more of them now. Don't care. Rey is probably going to enter the netherworld of the force and meet all the force ghosts, cause why not? That probably won't happen though, it'll be completely not what we want or expect, again lol.
     
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    I'm a little confused that in the same post you say you're not theorizing, you make a theory.

    Oh well.
     
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    I love how enthusiastic you are about Star Wars, even if our opinions often differ, since I've joined this forum you've been one of my favorite posters to follow but please don't try to push this onto people, the films can be compared.

    I come from a family of Star Wars lovers much like you, my aunt's love and knowledge of Star Wars far exceeds mine and when she walked out of the theater in 1980 she was angry and confused. She felt as if she was robbed of a proper ending to the film. She claims that was the consensus among all of her friends (I don't know that, I can't speak for them but I do know for a fact that she didn't like it.) It wasn't until ROTJ came along that she started to understand everything.

    I understand and envy that you were able to experience it yourself, and I also understand that your experience was far different than my aunt's... but that doesn't make it rule or law, even now that the overwhelming consensus (including myself) now see things the way you've always seen them... there are always going to be multiple ways to interpret or take something in.
     
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    You got me. I was theorizing as a joke though but yeah, I tried to think of the lamest thing possible.
     
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    Fair enough. I'm awful at detecting sarcasm online.

    And honestly, bummer that you feel that way, man. I know what it's like to have nothing in Star Wars to look forward to (I was "to cool" for the prequel trilogy stuff in college, when the Clone Wars was coming out). So while I totally disagree in that I personally do have my theories about IX, I feel for ya.
     
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