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Did TLJ kill the tradition of fan theories?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. Legend Knight

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    I think this new trilogy only makes people want to fan theorize even more because the plot holes and inconsistencies. Hey Rey can do a mind trick without even knowing what the hell that is. She is obviously a previous Jedi that got mind wiped. She is a Skywalker! She is the chosen 2.0. I love fan theories and have followed and debated the famous R+L=J theory for years but there is a massive difference in that and things you have to come up with to help justify stupid things that happen in a plot.
     
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    I have absolutely no idea how you came to any of those conclusions. It's one thing to not resonate with the purpose of a character (I, for example, never really related to Lady Bird in last years Academy Awards nominee despite liking the movie), but to say they don't have one at all? Come on now...
     
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    i kind of agree with you, to an extent. i think that Rey and Finn are definitely in for the fight at this point, but i don't know what to look forward to.

    i feel like TLJ ended with so many open ends that it's nearly impossible to guess what direction they're going to take. personally, i don't mind this because it builds up the suspense of wanting to know, but it is difficult to make sound predictions.

    remember back in 2012 when we were told the ST was going to happen? everyone was going crazy coming up with theories or elaborate plot ideas about what story they were going to tell. the EU was canceled and no one really knew what to expect. as they went through the process of creating TFA they threw us bones now and then and we got quite a few good leak dumps before the movie came out; i know i spoiled most of the plot for myself in excitement to learn more.

    my point is, like TFA, we're going into ep 9 with very little topical information. yes, we know which characters are likely to be around, unlike TFA, and we know what the stakes are in terms of the current conflict; but like TFA, we're only going to be able to sink our teeth into theories once they start filming and dropping tidbits for us to muse over.
     
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    @nightangel how is this post at all pessimistic?

    please stop trolling me with negative ratings.

    edit: thanks for changing it to clouded, i guess.
     
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    All you have is Rey having the force. What is her purpose in this story? Why should she be involved?
     
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    I completely disagree.

    If that's all you get out of this, I don't know what to tell ya, man.

    I mean, silly as the quote is, the movie literally gives you another example in dialogue for what can easily be applied to multiple character motivations.

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    Rey"I need someone to show me my place in all of this."

    A higher purpose than trading junk fro crappy food on a some backwater planet. Which she did once Finn came along and interrupted her life and took her off Jakku. You can claim their is no purpose or whatever all you want. But what you're really saying by good writers...which they were is you didn't get YOUR vision of it. You question their choices and call them bad writers just because it's not going your way.
     
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    I think most new parents figure out how to be a parent by their own parents (foster or adopted as well as biological). We don't only learn by what they did, but by what they didn't do. For most people, we want to be better and reduce the bad experiences while improving both quantity and quality of bad experiences. Your job doesn't make you a good or bad parent, but how much time you allow your job to take your free time away from your family does. It's possible in Leia's case that Bail Organa was much like her and way a lot of the time fighting to right wrongs, and to her she found it inspiring, so she thought her child would view it the same. That's the thing about parenting, even if it's your kid, they won't translate what you do the same as you did as a child. The experience is unique to each individual.
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    I was just thinking about this too. I think there are several factors. Some fans are angry, some feel trolled, many just don't find the questions that are hanging that motivating to make theories on. If you look at the amount of posts for TFA and TLJ, the number of posts is quite large, even if we assume there will be more coming for TLJ, it won't match the speculation and intrigue that TFA had. I think the fandom is uninspired, we simply don't have a lot of material to theorize on in comparison to TFA.

    There's also been a pretty big fan backlash to fan theories, as mentioned by the OP, as many fans who liked or loved TLJ use head canon and fan theories as the excuse as to why those who didn't enjoy TLJ have a negative opinion of it (true or not).

    I agree with the op though, losing fan theories takes a lot of fun out of the fandom. It's not entirely gone, but it's taken a hit. I didn't mind the whole "Your Snoke theories suck." quip by RJ until I saw the movie. When I saw RJ post that, I expected he had something pretty spectacular in store for Snoke. Now his death was cool, but I expected more, but I didn't have a set theory, just expectation because if everyone elses sucked, then he must have something (instead of nothing, which to me sucks even more).
     
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    Yeah, instead "Snoke sucks" would be more fitting for a RJ post.
     
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    In other words. You have nothing.
     
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    There are fan theories and then there is writing for the author (because there was an apparent lack of exposition). I think both are very similar and there is some overlap, but I think TLJ has a lot more of the latter and less of the former.

    Personally, I love reading about both, regardless of how outlandish and far out they are. SW always seems to need some, I think most fantasy and sci-fi requires some as things get quite technical in a world of make belief. I really enjoyed reading the fan fill in as I hope JJ picks up on some of it and it makes it way onto EPIX so I get better enjoy the ST. However my hopes are not great that this will happen.

    SW for me has always been something to speculate about with friends, and debate and fact check ect... unfortunately most of my friends have no appetite to partake in that since TLJ, which is why I'm here. Even after TFA a lot of my sci-fi friends had distanced themselves. That's pretty much why I'm here. I want to hear other people's ideas and share my own, have others expand on my own or have my ideas picked apart, or have someone set me straight when I'm off in my own head canon. I like the debate and the repartee and the sharing of ideas. Then I usually like seeing it go in an unexpected direction or see how close I hit on certain parts or aspects of the film. It's part of the fun of the experience for me and I think a large part of the fandom.

    Speculations is fun. It's why sports fans get together to predict trades and team success or failures, or that of players. Movie, like sports, is a leisure activity, so I see no harm in it. The only way it gets bad is if it is having a negative impact on your life or if you're actively trying to negatively impact other people's lives (hate mail, threats ect...).

    For the most part though, send me what you got, I wanna hear it.
     
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    Personally I don't think TLJ has killed anything. I can understand why some may feel that way but at it like this. Way before TFA came out, and before we had much solid info on this new sequal, characters, plot, etc, people were speculating and theorizing away. Just look in this forum for proof. Regardless of how you may feel about TLJ, there will still be plenty of speculation and theorizing about IX, Solo, or anything other Star Wars spin off. As more info and spoilers come out, the theorizing will increase and evolve. You don't have to look any farther than SWNN to see it happening already.
     
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    Kill the fan theory, i don't think so, but changes in the sense of expectations for a movie, it's nice to see what you expect in the screen, but what TLJ did what: remember you theory? Forget!!!
     
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