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SPECULATION Did Yoda forsee Vader's redemption

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Darth Zloi, Jun 14, 2015.

  1. LadyMusashi

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    I always thought that Yoda saying to Obi-Wan in Jedi "..there is another" (hope) was referring to the possibility that Vader could turn against Palpatine. That line is usually interpreted as referring to Leia or some un-named Jedi still alive that we don't know about yet, but thinking logically it could be that Yoda was thinking about Vader turning / Anakin coming back to the light side.
     
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    I agree with you 100%- Luke failed at Bespin; I meant he would not have ultimately succeeded in ROTJ if he knew Vader was his father before going to Bespin.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 26, 2015, Original Post Date: Jun 26, 2015 ---
    This makes me want to pull out my Annotated Screenplay book to see what the writers intended at the time. If I get time, I'll go check it out this weekend.
     
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    I think Yoda had a vision of Luke & Leia during his duel with Sidious.
     
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    I read over a online item today that described a then new deleted scene from ROTJ(noted in 11/2013).
    In Yoda's death scene he explains to Luke that he instructed Obi-Wan NOT to reveal how Darth Vader was really Luke's father years before. :eek:
    It goes along with some of the dialogue & relationship between Luke & Yoda.
    Yoda to me, seems to have a lack of faith in Luke Skywalker. He seems to willing to "wait out" for the "other"(even if it means another 20-30 years in hiding) rather than have Luke learn or achieve full force powers.
    A scene between force ghost Yoda & Luke in TFA should clear this all up.
    I think Yoda even as a force being, thinks Luke is NOT the Jedi to balance the force. That might be Finn or possible Rey.
    I don't think Luke will be a Zorro or Batman type character but he may remain elusive until one of the new young leads develops force powers, light saber skills.
     
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    Yoda and Ben had no clue. They prepared Luke for the worst and let the will of the Force decide the outcome. Ben and Yoda failed and put hope in Luke and the Force to bring Balance.
     
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    I don't think Yoda believed that Anakin was capable of redemption . . . at least by the end of "Revenge of the Sith". I have no idea what he was thinking in "The Empire Strikes Back". However, I do recall him commenting that Anakin's revelation of his identity to Luke was "unfortunate". So, who knows?
     
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    Yes. I think so.

    Obi-Wan and Yoda are two different mentors to Luke. Only Obi-Wan ever mentions the need to kill Vader. Yoda never does. He merely says "confront."

    A friend of mine pointed out that Obi-Wan and Yoda were like knowledge and wisdom to Luke, respectively. Obi-Wan gave him the knowledge to get on the path. What is the Force? Go to Yoda. Etc. Yoda really was the guru that prepared Luke for everything that knowledge can't provide.

    And when taking TCW into account, Yoda is deemed worthy before Obi-Wan of learning the secret to immortality, and he's granted a vision of his final, dying words.

    I think somewhere deep down, Yoda glimpsed the future or the will of the Cosmic Force, and knew that victory was predicated on Anakin's redemption at the hands of Luke.

    Obi-Wan couldn't have his mind changed because he was close to Anakin and fought him, saw first hand the monster he had become. No one can tell Obi-Wan that Anakin was still there somewhere. No one can tell anyone anything. People have to be shown a truth.
     
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