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Disinformation Campaign

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by The Silver Age, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. The Silver Age

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    Greetings,

    Lurker turned poster-

    Just wanted to caution the folks around here before we get too excited. A few things to consider-

    This is multi-billion dollar franchise for Disney, and NOTHING is going to get in the way of that bottom dollar for them, rest assured...not fake insiders, not "leaks", not anything. Between the monies that will be made just for episode 7 and associated merch/tie-ins/home video etc, you are looking at the first 200 mill opening weekend, 1.5 billion worldwide at least and 500 million minimum on home video sales in the first year. Not to mention the profit that will be generated from the remaining sequels and spin-offs.

    What am I getting at here? Does anyone think it odd, that a major website like Joblo.com STILL has the art up? It's been up 12 hours. Where is the cease and desist order? And before you say, it's already out there, this is Disney we are talking about here. They have the money, power and legal resources to staunch the flow and cauterize this wound anytime they choose, at least keeping this artwork off major sites, forums...perhaps not so much.

    If this art indeed spoiled large portions of the film, it would not be out. Anyone that would have access to this, would have signed a major NDA, and wouldn't risk the career, financial and legal woes that leaking pics online would get them. Anyone fired would have also signed this, and a leak would be very easy to trace. Simply put, the first thing you do is investigate former employees.

    In 2000, when Shea Foley stole AOTC material from LFL servers he was found quickly, and with the tech out today, it would be easy to trace the source of this imagery and much faster. So what is happening here?

    What we are looking at is I believe, a combination of accurate, recent and old concepts to throw the web off the trail of the actual plot. This I believe, is a cleverly executed disinformation campaign. Once the geo-tagged trooper helmer leaked, Disney/LFL went into high gear. It wouldn't take much research from JJ and crew to figure out how to throw us off.

    How do we know who actually took the Driver/X-wing suit photo anyway? How do we know that JJ didn't send him out knowing tele-photos were present in an effort to confuse the fan base and maintain secrecy. "Adam, put on on X-Wing suit and go outside. Oh, and put on a mustache" giggles ensue.

    JJ is running a tight ship. How else can you explain why we have seen nor heard almost nothing about Carrie Fisher, Oscar Isaac or Domnall Gleeson? They obviously know how to keep a lid on things.

    I believe the Grave Robber stuff is from earlier commissioned art associated with the Arndt drafts, as well as the Max Von Sydow/hermit/cyborg stuff. There is little chance that Von Sydow with his incredible range and menace/voice, is going to play a simple space hobo with cg face augmentation. You have to consider what people bring to roles as to why they are cast. Having Sydow play some cyborg is a bit of a waste, and not to mention this guy is in his 80s and would probably not be down with doing major facial appliances to block out key sections for digital replacement. Further, where is the info on Serkis? And why is everyone assuming he is playing a mocap character? Watch King Kong or any of his live action performances, and its easy to see how menacing and intense he can be. What I am getting at is, it doesn't make sense for some areas of production to have leaks and others none at all. This has got to be a tight ship across the board or nothing. We also don't know I believe anywhere near as much as we might think we do about characters and specifics yet.

    Anyway, I am rambling a bit. I guess what I am saying is, it wouldn't be hard for JJ to tell his concept artists to whip up some art associated with Greenham and other known locations and mix it up with a "leak" online comprised of old, unused concepts to keep ep7 fresh for us when it comes out.

    I don't think for one second that all of the artwork leaked is current, though some is obviously so. If this was real, any major website, like Joblo, badass digest, kotaku etc, would be nailed with C&D orders at light speed. And there has been nothing yet. Disney is not going to just sit on it's a$$ and let the biggest tent-pole in their history's plot be spoiled over a year out and do nothing.

    Nothing has leaked about actual shooting activity sound stage wise either, which means the crew is keeping their mouths shut. No "I saw a lightsaber duel" no "Adam Driver looks like this" etc. They have to shoot this stuff somewhere, and in front of actual people, so people are seeing and not saying. Also, any concept artists are not going to leak anything personally because they would never work again, and they don't usually have assistants. Further, Disney/LFL servers are under tight lock and key now, so its not like a janitor can just plug in a thumb drive and steal pics. In addition, the amount of people that are given access to plot-heavy concept art and a shooting script is VERY small and VERY traceable. So looking at these facts, how is this stuff getting out? It could really only be a carefully executed false leak campaign.

    Forgive me if I sound too sure of myself, because in the end this is just my opinion, but there is certainly enough to support some of my assumptions at this point. I also was there in the beginning interacting with people that claimed to be insiders, such as Sith Interceptor and Shay, and I have seen the difference between what people say they are and know, and what is revealed a few years later. In short, most people are lying about their "sources" and "connections" and people are so excited about these films, they eat it up regardless. Bottom line is, anyone connected in any real way to Ep7's production wouldn't risk their job nor legal issues to earn temporary cool points on some message board. It's simply very, very unlikely. Not to mention the disloyalty and ungratefulness that would obviously come with having a dream job working on Star Wars and then thanking your employer by revealing inside secrets online.

    I am not by any means an expert, and I could be wrong about everything, but I do have some industry background, having been on big budget film sets multiple times in various positions, as well as working with the business side of things with licensing and so forth, so I know a little bit about who sees what and the separation of duties, powers, eyes etc. I just don't think this is anything but the work of JJ and his imperial minions, at least to some degree.

    Thoughts?
     
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    This. So much this. Welcome to the party, Silver Age. Today has brought out many lurkers, myself included, and your post ranks you among the best. Great stuff.

    Oh, and yes fully agree.
     
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    Thanks! I appreciate the nice words. I will say I love the Grave Robber design and the Vader esque stuff, but I think we will see something else completely or a different version of this. If December brings a teaser with The Hobbit, we will have some confirmations of things. Lots to look forward to obviously.
     
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    I don't know if i agree on the financial part of your comment, but everything else for the most part is what i'm thinking too.
     
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    Well spoken, good sir.
     
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    As I said in another thread...

    At this stage with filming about to enter post production, many free lancing concept artists are ending their contracts, making it hard to control leaks.
     
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    This is most likely extremely early concept art, they are giving is the spirit of the film and nothing more thus no need for Disney to try trace it down. There are several people with trustworthy sources confirming that this is real art. But again, this probably came from early in the development process, we are still months away from stuff like production stills getting leaked. Stuff like that, actual concrete stuff will get hit by a cease and desist faster then you can say Darth Mickey

    Do I claim to know how Disney or JJ thinks? Not really no, but I think my argument makes sense. Yours has A LOT of merit, but I'm choosing to keep the faith for now
     
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    The trend seems to be for leaked information to be several months - or many months - old, so the film-makers are kept many steps ahead, except for circumstances whereby they can't hide massive outdoor sets. It's a different method of doling out information, whether mandated by Lucasfilm or leaked without permission, and satisfies the curiosity of fans in the same way that the web-episodes functioned during the prequel production phases.
     
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    My thoughts are that the conceptual art is 100% accurate, and you are the disinformation campaign JJ has sent to cover the leak...

    ...either that or you are 100% right, and I am the JJ campaign to discredit you
     
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    Great first post Silver Age.
    People need to remember also that concept art for Episode VII was done even before there was any script.
     
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    Great post Viral... or should I say JJ... we all know you are really Abrams, evil Sith lord that you are, puling our strings here...
     
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    ........and yet another long time lurker signed up today. The silver age you are spot on IMHO. Those who know dont tell and those who tell dont know.
    Disney will have a dept dedicated to tracing leaks and putting out misinformation they have so much at stake. I love all the speculation I read and a lot of it seems logical but until i see the trailer its just that, speculation. Agreed you cant hide x wings or the falcon in an out door location like Greenham Common, but did anyone else notice the costumes of the other actors (not Driver) they looked like victorian street urchins....on a rebel base....really? The stormtrooper helmet shot from Pinewood was GPS traced to Pinewood, but your telling me you cant trace the phone it came from? Who lost their job for that one then?
    Im betting that not everything were speculating on will be revealed in 7, theres still 8 and 9 to go. Did anyone see Vader being Lukes father coming in ANH? Or Liea being Lukes sister in Empire? Scatter enough bullets some will hit the target, most will be way off. Roll on December 2015!!!!!!!! :)
     
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    Its definitely a possibility that this is all disinformation and people should definitely keep that in mind before getting too locked in to these images. But its also just as likely that they are real.

    From the standpoint of why the images have been left up on various sites? JJ is clearly a smart guy when it comes to the mystery box. The pictures got out and were saved to every geek hard drive across the world. You can't take them back. The only saving grace they have is that people are still doubting their validity. If Disney made them be taken down, it immediately validates them as real. For now, people are skeptical. There is still doubt as to whether tehy are real, so people can still be convinced otherwise.

    The second issue why I think the could be real is that they are concept art and not set photos or script leaks. The concept art will be floating around to preople outside of production. Advertisers, Toy manufacturers, Disney Theme Park Imagineers. All these people have likely had access to concept art at this point. So, it is a lot more likely to leak than some other aspects of the film might be.

    Again, I am not saying they are current or real. They could be or they could not be. At this point, I think each is equally probable.
     
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    I think Disney owns Blackwater.... JK I think this is early concept stuff from the Arnt Script and before. The fact that they have not nailed down the characters and obvious omission of John Boyaga is a red flag to me. The green ham common is a no brainer because we accidentally stepped into that set. If you look the art has the old X Wing design. I wouldn't put it past them to have a disinformation campaign. It is funny to me with all the wild speculation going on that Leia is reduced to leader of the republic status with nothing else.
     
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    some great posts and some wise heads ;)

    i'm so supremely confident that we know jack squat about the film.. that i'm pretty much ignoring everyone's spoiler tags at the minute. When i start hearing about leaks concerning lots of character names.. i'll be a lot more wary as... although i'm spending half my life on a star wars news site.. i still want a little bit of mystery come december next year.

    It will all slip out eventually... too many ppl and too big a production... the odds (yeah i know.. never tell you the odds lol) are stacked against them with 400+ days still to go.

    Whilst Disney will be on full alert for employees spilling the beans for real.. all the production company needs to do is anonymously drip feed concept art to us for the next couple of months to keep us busy.

    you know what? i'm happy with that. i don't mind if we're further away from knowing what the film will be about than we were 6 months ago.. its part of the fun :)
     
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    Welcome!

    Very well-thought out and informed post. However, I agree with you to a small extent. While I believe some of the artwork we're seeing is old stuff that was probably scrapped, at least several of the items have already been confirmed by actual photos. Several examples include the AT-AT footpad in the desert. The desert sets taken by TMZ which included the giant pig that was hauling the X-Wing, and the Greenham Commons set, which was an almost perfect 1 to 1 translation of the art.

    BUT, is this really a leak? I've thought about this and what I found strange was that we saw no artwork depicting Han, Luke or Leia. No artwork depicting the droids. And, as far as I can tell, no artwork from Ian McCaig or Doug Chiang.

    While I wouldn't put it past JJ to peform a disinfo campaign I have to say that alot of what we saw in the art I expect to see on the film.
     
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    I still say Viral is really JJ... and when he takes off his mask, you will all be so shocked...
     
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    "Your leaks never told you the true story of Episode VII"

    They told me enough, they told me you know it!

    "No Bluestreaking, I don't know the plot, I wrote the plot!"
     
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    Right and I'm Lawrence Kasdan....
     
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