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Disney and the Prequels

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by adamclark83, Sep 26, 2014.

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  1. adamclark83

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    I read that Disney is trying to veer as far away from the prequels as possible. Why? What do they have against them?
     
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    Whether you agree with critics of the PT or not, I’m sure everyone can agree in the popular consciousness they are mostly considered a joke. They were poorly received critically, each diminished at the box office (although all still wildly successful) and in the years since their reputation has been run into the mud by all the “George Lucas raped my childhood” folks.

    I enjoy the PT, I really do. I have many issues with it, but I still enjoy watching it. But I still admit to myself, that outside of some people who grew up watching the PT and have a nostalgic attachment to it, most of the general public are not fond of it. So it would make sense for Disney to distance themselves from the much more controversial PT and align with the mostly universally loved OT. It just makes more financial sense.
     
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    I mirror Max Rebo's comment (I seem to have a habit of doing that). Can't think of any better way to put it.

    It should be noted that Disney still runs a risk of enraging even the OT traditionalists though they follow in the same spirit. The "revelation" of the new stormtrooper helmet design (which might be fake, yes) seems to be either loved or hated, depending on who you ask. Personally I love these things, as they seem like the OT but altered (progressed) in a logical manner.
     
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    They won't veer away from it at all. It is canon and they didn't purchase LFL for 4 billion just so they could disavow half the saga. However, that is a completely different statement from saying that they will incorporate Jar Jar Binks or Gungans into the SW going forward.

    IF there's a reason to bring up or touch upon something from the PT or TCW era they will and should. It should all be organic though. There shouldn't be anything forced.
     
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    Really?
     
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    Really. These days its very popular to dismiss a movie because of poor writing, or a bad character. These are critical aspects of a movie yes, but not the only things that make them enjoyable to me. Too often we put aside things like the score, the editing, or the art direction as tangential to what makes a movie good. But I can watch a movie and enjoy them for only those aspects and drown out what I find bad.

    So for that, even though I recognize many flaws I can still enjoy watching them. They are audacious in the ambition, and unlike any other formulaic Hollywood blockbuster. They fail in many, many ways, but there are no other movies like them. I enjoy the aspects that I love, and I'm intensely fascinated by the parts I hate. For that, even if they may never make a list of my top movies, I can still enjoy them for what they are.
     
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    They certainly are less than formulaic! I guess that's a valid opinion. I still dislike watching them, because they happen to fail in every aspect (Now that you mention it, the editing was atrociously bad!) except score, and sound design.
     
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    I'm glad you have deemed my opinion valid. :)

    I disagree strongly on the editing though. George is an editor at heart, and the one thing I didn't think he lost his touch at in the prequels. Although the editing can be a little stilted in exposition scenes and where its clear Lucas let the CG determine the scene construction, his editing in a number of places rivals that of some of the best OT moments. Nothing will ever touch the editing perfection that is the first death star attack (But if I remember correctly, it was his wife that primarily responsible for that scene). Its one of the best edited scenes in cinematic history. But I'd put the cross cutting of the EP I climax up against the cross cutting of the ROTJ climax any day. Taking the obviously increased emotional impacts of RotJ out, the pacing and momentum in the Ep I crosscutting is equal to that of the OT. He also shows some editorial restraint in some less active scenes, such as the Padme's Ruminations or the Opera scene from Ep3.

    Perhaps I'm getting off topic though. I'd be more than happy to go all out in a discussion of PT vs OT editing quality, but maybe we should create a separate thread for that.
     
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    It's simple, everyone loves the original trilogy while opinions on the PT are split. So why make prequel related/style products if only half(or less) of the potential audience will be interested? Hence the change from Clone Wars to Rebels, CG to practical, green screen to location shooting and massive sets and extras, George Lucas to talented writers and directors, digital to film, and so on. Everything they're doing is to get back to the Star Wars that everyone loves, to get back to the original trilogy.
     
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    Just because I didn't like the PT as much as the OT doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a Jedi Starfighter LEGO set or Battledroid action figure. When I was a kid I collected products from both trilogies.
     
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    Yes but I'm talking about people who HATE the prequels. Not just people who like the OT a bit more than the PT. I also bought PT toys when I was a kid, but that was because I was a kid. I still liked the movies when I was a kid.
     
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    Disney/Lucasfilm DID disavow 99% of the saga with the Legends move. If they keep to the tradition of Lucas himself, they will alter the Prequels to fit any changes they want for the Sequel Trilogy.
     
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    It would be hilarious to see them alter the prequels. I would LOVE to see them digitally insert puppet Yoda from ESB/ROTJ and Sebastian Shaw over Hayden Christiansen. Ha!
    And changing one of the padawans in the Jedi Temple to Kanan Jarrus er.. Caleb Dume.
     
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    I doubt it. George Lucas has said himself that that there are a lot of aspects of the EU that he would have done differently. You fail to account that he intended to overwrite the EU as well, since he wrote the the treatments for the ST, before he sold to Disney. The EU is and always was a source of income to help supply GL with the funds to make more SW -- NOT the end all and be all of SW canon.
     
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    Tell that to the kooky EU fans over on the Del-Ray FaceBook page. lol
     
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    Well, Lucas has said and done a lot of stuff over the years that indicate he can never make up his mind. But I get the priority of the films over EU. I guess Star Wars cannon is always in flux whether it's novels changing things, changes to the films etc.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see them make some changes to the Prequels. But then again, they're making Episode 7...so nothing surprises me anymore!
     
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    Yes, I know. They're a very ardent bunch of loyal supporters.

    Honestly, aside from the mediocre quality of the EU, I always felt it was never canon, never solidified as unmovable and for me that meant NOT worth the investment. When I heard Chewie died by dropped moon I knew it would never hold up should movies be made after Episode VI.

    BTW- NOT saying I ever knew that we'd get more movies but knew the possibility was there since Peter Mayhew told us back during ROTS that he signed on for more movies.
     
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    How can something become non-canon if it wasn't canon in the first place?
     
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    The prequels have ALWAYS been cannon.
     
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    Of course they have. I'm talking about the old EU.
     
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