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Disney CEO Bob Chapek Reaffirms Kathleen Kennedys Secure Future at Lucasfilm

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  1. Andrew Waples

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    And to me you sound like your typical fandom menace troll.
     
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  2. Angelman

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    Yeah, no.... this discussion ends here and it ends now *hand hovering over the banning button*
     
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    Sorry dude, there are no shills here… 1) they can’t afford us ;) and 2) this is a fan site, which by its very name attracts fans.

    What there is are fellow fans who don’t agree with you. You’ve got, and are more than entitled to, your opinion - and respectfully others have equal rights to their own too.

    This argument clearly isn’t going away, but there’s also nothing else new to say about it - so lets stand down from the baiting posts and get on with enjoying whatever part of the franchise we each enjoy.

    All I’d say is that if Disney killed SW, then why are there still fans, viewers and avid consumers of the movies, tv shows and merchandise 9yrs after the House of Mouse purchased LfL?
     
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    I don’t know about you guys but Disney pays me 10 dollars a post to say I like Loki and I like all the Star Wars movies (to varying degrees). Trust me when I say this. I am 99% certain a shill for Disney isn’t a real thing that exists.

    Anyway. Back to the topic. Like her or hate her or be indifferent it’s been obvious for months honestly years that Disney likes her and they’ll retain her until she decides to leave. Every Star Wars movie and game except for Solo has done super well sales wise.

    That’s all Disney cares about pleasing its shareholders through high revenue. And She’s done that with most of the movies and all of the games. That doesn’t even mention the shows. Who knows how much that has contributed to the growth of Disney plus as well as merchandising.

    Weather you think Disney should credit her with these successes or not is up to you, but it’s obvious they do. So unless the next few shows or movies or games bomb she’ll be staying. And I would place money on them not bombing. At least a majority of them. Sales wise anyway.
     
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    I don't like Kathleen Kennedy, but I fully understand that she will leave Lucasfilm when she is good and ready. TFA made 2 Billion dollars, TLJ made 1.3 Billion, and TROS made a billion dollars. the Mandalorian is one of the most successful streaming series, so KK isn't going anywhere, and from my experience when you want someone to leave you usually get someone worst then the previous one... Kevin Feige would be a great replacement but he has his hands full, Filoni isn't experienced in running such a huge organization like Lucasfilm maybe Jon Favreau but he is a creative person most likely doesn't want that responsibility. I just can't believe they offered the job to Jar Jar Abrams... :confused::eek::rolleyes::confused: that would have been an ultimate fail. He has systematically ruined every franchise I love... let's see what he does with Superman... Richard Donner RIP.
     
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    For what it's worth, I think the elephant in the room needs to be addressed:

    Kathleen Kennedy is not Kevin Feige

    And I don't mean that as a good thing or a bad thing. It's just... an observation. Like, even if Kevin Feige himself were to take over Star Wars, I'd certainly hope he treated it as a completely different property rather than trying to replicate the MCU. If anything, I think Kennedy deserves credit for seemingly recognizing and embracing this, especially when so many other franchises are leaning too heavily into the cinematic universe formula.

    Like, Star Wars is one of my favorite things, but I just don't think it can be quite as broad as Marvel. I think it's rather amazing how well Star Wars has branched out already (the Mandalorian alone has bridged the gamut between a ton of different genres) but at the end of the day I think the broad yet recognizable scope of Marvel is just much bigger- whereas Star Wars can remain more focused (again, not a bad thing by any means for either franchise).

    Anyway, this is basically all to say that framing Kennedy's tenure as a failure is pretty disingenuous. The first two sequel films did incredibly at the box office, Rogue One and Solo have developed a strong cult following, and Mando is one of the internet's new favorite shows. Where exactly is the failure?

    Like, I get it... some people have opinions on specific movies. "TLJ was bad." "TROS was bad". etc.

    But... those are just opinions, and people are gonna have them about any franchise. Sticking with the Marvel theme... we're 5 movies deep in Disney Star Wars right now. That's the equivalent of most of the MCU's Phase 1: Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain Man: First Avenger. Let me assure you that the MCU was much less successful back then, both compared to current Marvel as well as Disney SW. The first two Iron Man movies barely made it into the top 10 at their box office returns of their years.

    I don't want to get too ranty, either, but even with how obviously ridiculous it is to try to pin any issues Disney SW might have on KK, it's also really not surprising that a certain side of the internet decided to use a powerful woman as their sacrificial lamb.
     
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    Exactly i am sick and tired of hearing YouTubers constantly say she will be fired or is fired she isn't going anywhere.
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    You're allowed to have different opinions and like the ST i will not take that away from you. Also yeah not all of Disney SW is bad i love Rogue one for example because it is a Disney Star Wars movie that feels the closest to George Lucas's Star Wars and he himself even liked the movie too. Disney can make good Star Wars they for the most part just choose not to and hire bad writers and directors.
     
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    Feige would never treat Star Wars like the MCU because he knows that there very different franchises; however, he would respect the source material. RJ tried to make the beginning of TLJ feel like the MCU and that was one of his mistakes... IMHO.

    I like TLJ so I'm not putting RJ down in anyway...

    I'm just waiting for Fiege's Star Wars film he agreed to make; furthermore, Feige is an executive that is a fan of Star Wars. He mentioned that he still has Star Wars toys... Feige respects the source material... he respects comic books that's why the MCU is so good. Most executives don't give a crap about comic books.


    KK is an executive that GL appointed to take over because he was retiring. she herself said she thought GL wanted her opinion on who to best take over.

    She was surprised that he chose her.

    She has worked for GL and SS for many years so she took the job. she's done a pretty good job but I know she is not a fan of Star Wars like Feige.

    If Feige's planned Star Wars film does well people will want him to take over even more so but unfortunately Feige has his hands full with the MCU and he is the CEO of Marvel comics. I'm a huge comic book fan and I have a subscription to Marvel Unlimited.

    ...again KK will leave Lucasfilm when she is good and ready simply because she has made the mouse house tons of money. Movies are produced simply to make money and she has done that very thing.
     
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    Too true! Although to me, if there was a failure, it's the feeling of ambivalence on most Star Wars products in the future, but that's a personal case and not indicative of the whole at all. Many non-Star Wars fans watched The Mandalorian, and TCW and TBB are doing great.

    I think it's a matter of promise, progress, and payoff. From the final scene in the MCU, the franchise promised something larger than a single movie or character. Every movie after that worked towards that goal. The Avengers delivered on that promise...and then added a new promise on top of that. The new Star Wars movies' biggest promise that they've kept has been their adherence to canon. One of the biggest complaints about the ST - one which I also continue to levy at Lucasfilm - is that their ST doesn't feel like a cohesive trilogy. The idea of a trilogy is a promise within itself, and the previous two trilogies left some pretty high expectations. YMMV whether or not it reached that height. But personally, as much as I like TFA and TLJ, (and don't like TROS, despite acknowledging how pretty of a movie it is, and how many of its ideas were actually pretty good), the ST didn't deliver on the inherent promise a trilogy makes. (And don't worry, none of the MCU trilogies so far have really done so either.)

    I sort of disagree with this as well. I think Star Wars can and should be broader than it is. Star Wars as a franchise can be larger than it is, but rarely does it want to be. Resistance, The Mandalorian, and Visions are steps in the right direction, but even these weren't enough.

    I think Star Wars can and should go broader, weirder, and more diverse. Give me a meta-story about a young person who experiences the Force through diegetic music! I want a comedy-adventure on a colony ship in wild-space that reminds me of Deep Space Nine and Parks & Rec. Give me a family operatic thriller about two friends who grew up in the same place, but joined different sides of the war. (Aka, I want Lost Stars Part 2.) Why can't I have a Battlestar Galactica-esque adventure about the Resistance that stars Rose? Give me my Samurai-romance Obi-Wan Kenobi (or even Qui-Gon Jinn) story! And then, go weirder.

    Diversity breeds not only options for both fans and actors, but also opportunities to tell stories that may not be told otherwise. That's one of the secrets to the superhero genre, and not just Marvel or DC - if you don't like how good of a person Superman is, you've got Invincible and Brightburn. If you want to see normal people being vigilantes brought to a logical conclusion, you have Kick@$$. You don't like the Justice League? Then you've got The Boys, Watchmen, and at least three iterations of the JL in animated form to try out. If you want to know about superhero drivers, you get The Fast & The Furious.

    Star Wars to me needs to tap into that diversity of roles, characters, aesthetics, and stories on-screen.
     
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    Yeah, I get what you're saying. It was choppy.

    But as you mention, so was the MCU. Think the first few movies:

    Iron Man- teases the idea of SHIELD/The Avengers near the end

    Hulk- Teases the idea in the end of Tony Stark working for SHIELD and recruiting Hulk or Ross to the Avengers

    Iron Man 2- Really leans into recruiting Stark to SHIELD (I thought he was already working for them in Hulk, but apparently not now?). Drops the idea in the end, for some reason.

    Avengers- After basically firing Tony from SHIELD in Iron Man 2, he's... back now? Why not just have him working for them from the beginning, especially since the first Phase takes place over a pretty short period of time?


    Not to neg on Marvel, either. TBH, I've been way more into them lately than Star Wars. But SW is sort of still in its early stages of this revival, comparatively, and good lord I wish people would've given it a chance. Sometimes a franchise needs to find its footing- and I realize that SW is well established, but I think we can all understand I'm talking the Disney era here.

    For sure, I know what you're saying. Star Wars is best when it can tell diverse stories, and I think those are good examples of that being the case.But I feel like Marvel can just do this more easily and effectively.

    Like, look at the past three shows that have come out on D+ for Marvel lately. We have Wandavision, a weird surreal creepy sitcom that's mired in grief management. Then there's the more politically minded show of Falcon and Winter Soldier, that dabbles in spy intrigue and gunplay. Finally, there's the quirky, time hopping, dimension jumping mystery that is Loki.

    Not only are all three of those shows unique to each other, but two of them are pretty unlike anything done in the MCU even up to this point! And to top it all off, they're all headlined by characters that are all well established in the MCU already, not to mention the comics. Like, at the point, my grandparents would probably recognize Hiddleston's Loki, if they were still alive.

    Star Wars just... doesn't quite have that establishment. And to make a perhaps more abstract point, I think it also has the hurdle of always feeling "Star Warsy". Like, no matter what genre it becomes, it still needs to feel like Star Wars, which itself has a pretty strong "flavor". Marvel, as a generic idea, is a little more diluted. It's like vanilla, compared to Star Wars' birthday cake ice cream- maybe a little more bland at its most basic level, but a lot easier to mix with.

    And again, I cannot stress enough how I don't mean this as a slight on either series. I think both have recognized this and are playing to their strengths, and that's a good thing.
     
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    I'm not sure how many people here are familiar with professional wrestling. I haven't watched it in decades, but it's very much a soap opera and Feige has said "I grew up a pro-wrestling guy, probably more of a Star Wars guy.” This is evident in how the MCU tells stories. Endgame was basically Wrestlemania. It wasn't a very good stand alone story, but if you've invested in the other stories it has a pay off. This type of story telling is prefect for TV and has worked for Marvel for the past decade.

    Star Wars is also a serial, but the trilogies have always been designed to stand on their own. You didn't have to watch the OT to watch the PT. You didn't have to watch the OT to watch the ST. Part of the reason the MCU hasn't had great endings is because there's never really an end. It's one story always teasing the next story.

    I feel like that's the direction Star Wars is heading, but it will lose some of its "event feel" because of that.
     
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    The MCU has a broader and deeper scope. They have 100's of characters whom the audience are familiar with and reams of stories to take from. SW doesn't have this. Unless you count KOTOR games (which I understand Disney doesn't have a licence to) or post ROTJ Legends stories because the cast are all seniors. And my understanding, the stories are not consistent.

    And as marvelous (pun intended) as the ST cast is. None of them will have the appeal of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor etc. who are for too many fans just want fan inserts. Kennedy attempt was to turn SW into something with depth and more serious. There's no reason why you can't have an action film with substance. Not just gun battles and blowing up ships.
     
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    For sure, and I think for the most part Star Wars has always been something deeper than just an action, the ST included.
     
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    There is nothing in that clip that says that Lucas hated the ST.



    You mean unhinged ratings from TFM? No different from the complainers in the George Lucas vs The People documentary.
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    With the exception of KOTOR and the ST, I've found the films empty. If you mean deeper like this:

    https://screenrant.com/hidden-symbols-meanings-star-wars/

    I guess so. But these kinds of lessons are pretty standard or if not standard, they are conveyed in such an obvious way that I can't find them moving at all.
     
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    Nah, I'm not gonna overcorrect either, and say that ONLY the ST had substance.

    To me, it's all pretty good, and I think a lot of fans really misinterpret the films. A great example is Luke's standoff on Crait- a Jedi facing down "the entire First Order with only a laser sword", and winning! And doing so without a single casualty, totally non-violently allowing the Resistance to escape and showing the weakness of Kylo Ren's aggression. Definitely the most Jedi-like thing we've seen in the films.

    The originals dealt with this too, with Luke's facing down of Vader being something rooted in balancing his fear of protecting his friends, anger at the Empire, compassion for his father, and desire to do what's right.

    And I'd even argue for the interpretation that the more Dragonball Z-esque portrayal of the Jedi in the prequels was to show their hubris leading to downfall. They'd leaned into physicality and war, rather than spirituality.

    tldr: Can we just get along and just like the series in general, without weird broad sweeping generalizations about obviously subjective things? :p
     
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    Oh that's obvious. But for me (and others) it's about Luke facing down Ren, the monster he helped create. But instead of going for the lazy storytelling with him begging Ben forgiveness. He tells Ben straight up that he made a mistake and refuses to grovel. Hence pissing Ren off even more, so he would be distracted and allow the rebels to escape.


    I found the scene more real and more organic, because it played/addressed both of their temperaments in that moment (ie. proud and heater). Luke might understand why his nephew is the way he is. But that doesn't excuse the fact that Ben is acting like an idiot and demeaning himself.

    See that sounds too heavy handed like an after school special, which is why I find it hard to be moved.

    Of course! To each his own! Enjoy!
     
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    I know this is a side note, but the people vs George Lucas and that whole “George Lucas ruined my childhood” stuff was just so ugh. Couldn’t stand it then can’t stand it now. The movies you like are still there watch them. Don’t watch the rest. It’s really that simple. I only really pay attention to Captain America movies and shows. The rest of marvel is something I don’t personally care for. However I am not going to make it my life’s mission to tell everyone that I dislike it.

    If your not into the direction Star Wars has gone I am sorry, but the stuff you loved before is still there.
     
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    Did you even watch the videos i posted or are you that biased that you can't even listen to what TFM has to say? side note Thor Skywalker is not apart of TFM just because someone is anti-sequel trilogy it doesn't make them automatically apart of TFM. In Bob Iger's book he openly admitted that George hated episode 7 and if calling Disney white slavers and saying that he lost control of SW and that it is going off in a different direction than he intended isn't a jab at Disney then i don't know what is LMFAO. :rolleyes: and besides George didn't even show up to the premier of TROS and didn't wanna go to the TFA premier either but his wife made him go. I think all that is very telling that he absolutely hates the sequel trilogy.
     
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    Why does it matter what they have to say? Why do you think it matters what they have to say? They're just some people with some opinions. They are not 'proof' of anything. What is it that you think they are actually proving?

    They are just some self-important YouTubers. They are free to have an opinion, but their opinions are no more valid or no more important or no more significant than yours or mine or anybody else's here in these forums or anywhere. You don't 'win' an argument or successfully shut somebody down by posting links to them. They are far from the last word.

    Also... just because somebody does not change their mind about the ST after watching and listening to them, doesn't mean that they are biased. It means the "unhinged rant" they listened to just wasn't convincing. Accusations of bias can work both ways too. You are watching videos that just confirm yours.

    Anyway, my takeaway from all of this is that I'm dumbfounded why people are so angry at Kathleen Kennedy. It seems to me that it's Bob Iger they should be mad at. Although I am far from actually advocating that.
     
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    I really hate being "that guy", but there's no such thing as 'Disney Star Wars'.
     
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