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OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. Old Biff from the Future

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    I think Star Wars, as an idea, as a cultural theme, needed George to let go in order to survive and even thrive. I think George recognized that, and it is why he sold it.

    My guess is that George was so immersed in Star Wars, as his creation, that he wasn't able to see it as the rest of us do, or comprehend what it is about SW that makes people so passionate. SW became larger than just GL, it became something that we all forcefully (pun intended) took ownership of.

    KK, JJ, Rian, and all the rest will be able to complete a vision that Lucas probably wasn't able to conceive of anymore.

    Edit to add: Thank the maker that we aren't getting a ST about teenagers.
     
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    Nothing wrong with teenagers in movies...as long as it's done well.
     
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    Luke and Leia were teenagers (retcon twins). Padme was a teenager. Anakin was a young boy. Ahsoka and Ezra were/are teenagers.

    Rey is probably starting as a teenage character.
     
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    Yep. You can't have "coming of age" if you're already of age.
     
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    I agree.
    People today really do not have its own opinions about anything. They just copy opinions of some internet reviewers they find cool.
    I find that sad.

    Every opinion of mine is always mine. If I really like something, if I really enjoy in something, I'll say it. I do not care what others think.

    And I like all 6 Star Wars movies. All of them are good in my opinion.
    I'am sad that they will not use Lucas stories.
    We will never know the true sequel story of Star Wars.
     
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    More beloved implies that there was significant love for the prequels before these analyses, there wasn't. Did people belove them? Yes, but not in any significant quantity.
    Try and direct your issues at the post btw.
     
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    You can find scripts for the OT here. I think they only have the regular published ones for the PT. The info on Jinn and Kenobi came from a making of book. http://starwarz.com/starkiller/
    There are also some fan scripts on there, so make sure you are reading the real scripts.
    This essay gives a great overview of the scripts and how they evolved, summarizing each of them. http://starwarz.com/starkiller/the-...-as-seen-through-the-scripts-by-george-lucas/
     
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    So he's mad that Disney is not using his ideas of a Trilogy he said never existed just a few years ago?

    ;)
     
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    JJ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

    “Before I showed up, it was already something that Disney had decided they wanted to go a different way with,” Abrams said in an interview with EW (conducted before the CBS interview). “But the spirit of what he wrote, both in those pages and prior, is everything that this movie is built upon.”

    Here's another choice bit:

    Some fans question why there was no “Based on” credit for Lucas in the poster for The Force Awakens. Abrams does, too.

    “I don’t know why it isn’t on the poster, but it’s a valid point. I’m sure that that will be a credit in the film,” the director says. “We are standing on the shoulders of Episodes I through VI.”

    http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/20/george-lucas-star-wars-force-awakens-breakup
     
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    Super interesting. So much going on behind the scenes. I'm glad they're keeping it all together and keeping their cool. KK seems to really respect the fans. <3 KK
     
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    Also, JJ Abrams probably has no say in the posters' designs, unless it's a bit too revealing.
     
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    Lucas cashed a check for $4,005,000,000 so he sold his right to decide what story was used.
     
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    Wow, this is terrible news. Poor George. Advancing the story is exactly what should have took precedence over "fan service", such as Han Solo being the lead because he's the most popular, etc.


    I've said it before, but the prequels were the pendulum swinging too far on the one end of the spectrum: All George, no input from a helpful source like Kasdan, Kershner, or Marquand....and the sequel trilogy seems to be too far on the other end of the spectrum: all everyone else and no George.

    The originals were both George and helpful people to bounce things off of, but like him or hate him, Star Wars only exists because of George Lucas. Period. He should have been involved and respected, at least for story outlines. Perhaps then we wouldn't be getting an A New Hope plot rehash, but then again, he did kinda copy Luke's story for The Phantom Menace to do Anakin as a semi "reverse Luke", so who knows what we'd have seen...

    Still sucks. :(


    Love you, George!!! One of the best people ever, and always a hero to me! :)
     
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    I do have to say that I think it was a cheap shot for Lucas to say SW is more then spaceships, etc.

    He actually right about that but just remember his quote on the TPM documentary, "Jar Jar is the key!".
     
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    George can do nothing right, for critics that is. I respect him. One of my favorite people in the world

    He's not perfect and neither are anyone else. But he also came up with one of most awesome twists in history in ESB
     
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    Lol I did, but hey what else can I expect from a talking anus

    Hit the nail on the head.
     
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    Q: What role did you play in also helping to shape the new female lead character in the new movie?


    Kathleen Kennedy (10:40): Well it's one of the first things J.J. [Abrams] and I talked about and that we talked to [Walt Disney Studios Chairman] Alan Horn about. It was a very early decision and a choice and something that we worked a long time developing.

    (more...)
     
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    Okay, I might be risking my first negative ratings here but I seriously have to let off some steam or my...strong disagreement...with certain statements here and in some related threads will make my head explode.

    1) That whole sentiment of "If Lucas is not involved it won't feel like real Star Wars!" is utterly ludicrous. Even the freaking commercial tie-ins for TFA are more Star Wars than anything Lucas has created in a long time. It's really only slightly hyperbolic to say Lucas is the last person on earth who actually knows what people like about Star Wars. It's pretty well documented that ANH is nowhere close to what he envisioned but a sum of compromises and contributions of other people... from people like dePalma, Coppola and Spielberg harshly commenting on the early drafts to two of his film school buddies writing pretty much every line of dialogue that's not terrible to the more well known parts that e.g. McQuarrie, Williams and Marcia Lucas played. Granted, one has to credit him for putting a lot of work into it when no one else believed it could succeed, but that's about it. Then after ANH, it was mostly Kasdan/Kershner coordinating ESB and Lucas hated it. So he took full control again and gave us Ewoks and later the prequels...

    2) Another ridiculous idea is that the RLM reviews somehow changed public opinion of the prequels. People hated them when they were new, even more so than they do nowadays because a lot of people (like me) spent years working through the various stages to get to "acceptance" and rarely voice their opinions unless they get asked directly. I was 12 when I watched AOTC on opening day and the crowd hated it. By the time Yoda fought Dooku most people were either laughing at it or actively booing at the screen and something like that is extremely uncommon here in Germany. Apart from the occasional laughing in comedic movies I have never before or since seen any audience reaction at all. Of course the many personal insults directed at Lucas are unfortunate to say the least but honestly I really have difficulties respecting a man who so blatantly disrespected his own creation and its fans. I mean really there are so many inconsistencies and stupidities introduced through the prequels that 50% of the EU is concerned with explaining away all the problems. He either didn't even bother to re-watch the OT before writing the prequels or just didn't care about it at all.

    3) On a related note: A lot of people like to say "I like the prequel story, only the execution was bad!". Yeah, the story is good, the story of the downfall of Anakin Skywalker, the Jedi Knights and the Republic and the rise of the Empire, the story that was already set in stone by dialogue from the OT. But everything between these basic outlines? Pretty bad. And anyway, where do you draw the line between story and execution? Is the decision to start with a 9 year old Anakin not part of the story? Or, say, the complete lack of development for Anakin's and Obi-Wan's friendship?

    Anyway, to conclude this with something that's more on-topic: I could not be happier that Star Wars is now in the hands of people who actually care about it and I am sure that whatever Arndt/Abrams/Kasdan/Kennedy/The Storygroup came up with is at least decent and will definitely feel more like Star Wars than Lucas' drafts.
    Selling Star Wars actually gained him a lot of goodwill even among the "haters" and if he keeps a low profile, working on his museum and those "small personal films" that he supposedly always wanted to make, then I think his legacy might become "creator of the greatest saga ever told and generous philanthropist"... but with interviews like that recent one he really just highlights the not so great parts of his own career.
     
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