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OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Jan 20, 2015.

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    Intriguing.
     
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    Lucas is the type of artist who isn't going to consider anything 'his own' unless he himself worked on it.

    And I'm sure he probably has some action scenes milling around in his head that never made it into JJ's script, and that is part of what he's talking about.
     
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    They did use GL's ideas for TFA. They just used his ideas from episodes IV and V instead of his ideas for VII. :)
     
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    The general rumors I had heard were that George had sold the story he had written long with his company and the main takeaway they produced in the end was Rey...correct me if I'm long,
    @MagnarTheGreat :)
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    Well I mean, if he didn't work on it it's literally not his own.
     
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    Bob Iger, The Walt Disney Company CEO & Chairman: "At some point in the process, George [Lucas]told me that he had completed outlines for three new movies. He agreed to send us three copies of the outlines: one for me; one for Alan Braverman; and one for Alan Horn, who’d just been hired to run our studio. Alan Horn and I read George’s outlines and decided we needed to buy them, though we made clear in the purchase agreement that we would not be contractually obligated to adhere to the plot lines he’d laid out." "He knew that I was going to stand firm on the question of creative control, but it wasn’t an easy thing for him to accept. And so he reluctantly agreed to be available to consult with us at our request. I promised that we would be open to his ideas (this was not a hard promise to make; of course we would be open to George Lucas’s ideas), but like the outlines, we would be under no obligation." (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)

    Bob Iger: "Early on, Kathy [Kennedy] brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations. The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded. I’d been so careful since our first conversation not to mislead him in any way, and I didn’t think I had now, but I could have handled it better. I should have prepared him for the meeting with J.J. and Michael and told him about our conversations, that we felt it was better to go in another direction. I could have talked through this with him and possibly avoided angering him by not surprising him. Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed, and while this whole process would never have been easy for him, we’d gotten off to an unnecessarily rocky start." (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)

    Bob Iger: "Just prior to the global release, Kathy screened The Force Awakens for George. He didn’t hide his disappointment. 'There’s nothing new,' he said. In each of the films in the original trilogy, it was important to him to present new worlds, new stories, new characters, and new technologies. In this one, he said, 'There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.' He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do. Looking back with the perspective of several years and a few more Star Wars films, I believe J.J. achieved the near-impossible, creating a perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come." (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)
     
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    Read this over plebbit earlier and it ab-solutely made my day.

    Neither were the fans who said the same online and were vilified for it, Iggy.


    I'm calling B.S. on this right here. If ANYONE knows the pressure of Star Wars, Lucas does. And stop being whiny, Bob.


    lol

    So, Disney's crew (rightfully) did whatever they wanted, didn't tell Lucas ahead of time that they were bailing on his story and you wanna complain that he salted your meat when u dropped it raw in his lap? That's funny.

    Just when I thought I couldn't love the creator of Star Wars any more.... I find that he shared the same opinion as I did.
     
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    Bob Iger: "I asked George [Lucas] to agree that he wouldn't publicly criticize any of the Star Wars films we made. When I brought it up with him, he said, 'I'm going to be a big shareholder of the Walt Disney Company. Why would I disparage you or anything you [did] [...]" (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)

    Bob Iger: "A few months before we closed the [Lucasfilm] deal, George [Lucas] hired the producer Kathy Kennedy to run Lucasfilm. Kathy cofounded Amblin Entertainment along with her husband, Frank Marshall, and Steven Spielberg, and had produced E.T. and the Jurassic Park franchise and dozens of critical and commercial hits. It was an interesting move on George's part. We were on the verge of buying the company, but he suddenly decided who was going to run it and ultimately produce the upcoming films. It didn't upset us, but it did come as a surprise, just as it surprised Kathy to learn that the company she was agreeing to run was about to be sold! Kathy is a legendary producer, and she has been a great partner, and this was one final way for George to put someone in whom he trusted to be the steward of his legacy." (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)

    Bog Iger: "With [George] Lucas, there was only one person with creative control - George. He wanted to retain that control without becoming an employee. It would have a dereliction of my responsibilities to spend more than $4 billion and then say, [...]" (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company)
     
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    Fuller version of previous quote:

    Bob Iger:
    “Even though he had issues with the film, I thought it was important for George [Lucas] to be at [The] Force Awakens premiere. He didn’t want to come at first, but Kathy [Kennedy], with the help of George’s now-wife, Mellody Hobson, convinced him it was the right thing to do. Among the last things we negotiated before the [sale of Lucasfilm] deal closed was a non-disparagement clause. I asked George to agree that he wouldn’t publicly criticize any of the Star Wars films we made. When I brought it up with him, he said, ‘I’m going to be a big shareholder of the Walt Disney Company. Why would I disparage you or anything you do? You have to trust me.’ I took him at his word.” (The Ride of a Lifetime: Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company - September 23, 2019)
     
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    Tom Berges: (52:00 segment starts) (1:12:00 Skywalker Ranch talk) (quote begins at 1:25:00) "So there's these two conversations going on [at Skywalker Ranch when I was there]. There's the one that Lorne [Peterson] is talking about then there's the one that George [Lucas] is talking to - his private conversation with his guests and everybody is trying to listen to Lorne and everybody is trying to listen to George. So you're getting half of this stuff. And what we heard - I can tell you this with 100% accuracy because it came out of George Lucas's mouth, this is an exclusive to you - George was not a fan with what they did with the sequel. Yes [really]. Correct, yeah [the sequels]. I can only imagine these folks were maybe producers or...I don't know, but they were definitely talking Star Wars and George it turns out he wasn't too keen on what they did with the sequel up to this point. That's all I can tell you, 'cause that's all we heard. He said he didn't like what they did with the characters. That came straight from George Lucas's mouth. Right [exclusive for the podcast], I was there. I was in the same room [with him], so there you go." (October 26, 2018)
     
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    I'm sure certain YouTubers are having a field day with this... *cough G & G* cough
     
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    (epic fail)Truth is such a wonderful drug(epic fail)
     
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    Is this new George stuff really new, didnt we basically know this information and didnt need Bob Iger's book for this information. We have heard multiple reports about some of George ideas. We know George was really cranky around TFA release. I really kinda always expected it. He certainly had sellers remorse and had and should have had issues giving up the creative control. Star Wars was central to his life and to have others creating things with him not directly involved certainly wasnt easy and likely still isnt. That doesnt make what others have done wrong or bad, just not what he would have done or what he could have controlled.
     
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    ^ It's not new. I remember reading about his opinion of TFA in the book, George Lucas: A Life, which came out in 2017. He was disappointed that they made a "retro movie," which was not the type of film he would have made.
     
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    And if this was new would Bob Iger really had put it in his own book?
     
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    I can be more specific. The references to Lucas' reaction to TFA can be found on pages 468-469 in the hardcover edition of "George Lucas: A Life," by Brian Jay Jones, first published in 2016.

    Furthermore, Lucas' story outline for Episode VII-- the one that everyone now seems to be clamoring for-- is described by Kathleen Kennedy on page 459 as really just a "brief synopsis," one that Bob Iger described on page 468 as having "a lot of potential." It fell first to Michael Arndt and then to Lawrence Kasdan to try to turn that synopsis into a script, something I understand they struggled with despite having plenty of time to work on it. Makes one wonder why the project ultimately went in another direction once JJ was brought on board.
     
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    Bingo. This is why I've been so snarky about that excerpt from Iggy's scribble. Disney had PLENTY of time, FAILED to make sense of it, SCRAPPED it, kept it a SECRET from GWL.... AND, had the audacity to complain when he didn't like JJ's low-risk offering of a Star Wars film. Bob's words read like a river a salty tears. This story IS the same Bantha in the room that no one WANTS to talk about.... George isn't happy with it all but ALL fans are expected to be happy with all of ST. At least online they are. There is a hive mind that attempts to shame anyone who disagrees with "THE Sequel Trilogy Films ARE PURRRRFECT!!!" And whoa unto him that does not kiss the feet of Rian "somebody PLS text me the essence of SW" Johnson, you might as well call yourself the anti-christ. All of which, just makes me laugh.


    I think shining light on the creator's dissatisfaction helps fans who love the SAGA, but feel much the same as he does.

    If no one ever disagrees.... there is no discussion.... there can only be a circling of the jerk wagons. On both sides.

    TRoS has a chance to be like RoTS, which had AoTC to deal with and THAT film used to be my worst of all time.

    Aside from the youngling slaughter, the Sifo Dyas ball drop & removing Vader's duplicity, I thought GL nailed it.

    I no longer hate AoTC and RoTS is the reason.

    Let's see if JJ/TRoS can do the same for TLJ.
     
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    Huh, I dont understand your last point. That had a hard time making GL synopsis work so they went in another direction. Sounds perfectly logical to me. Throw in GL idea about micro organisms controlling the force idea for ST that GL mentioned to James Cameron and doesnt that sound even more logical?
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    Really, Bob Iger salty tears? Bob Iger put this stuff in a book. Think about that Bob Iger himself made this information public.
     
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