OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

What I would really like to know is how GL would have handled the fundamental contradiction in making an ST.

I think it’s reasonable to say that episodes 1-6 asserted that:
1) The Sith are the one ultimate evil in the universe, and
2) The Sith received their final defeat in ROTJ.

It seems to me that if you accept both of these assertions, then it is clear that the story is over, and making a sequel makes about as much sense as making “Romeo and Juliet 2.”

The ST first tried to throw out (1) in a way that was completely unexplained and unsatisfying, but then switched gears and tried to throw out (2) in a way that was even more unexplained and unsatisfying. I guess this worked for some people, but I see the ST as an insult to what I call the “real” movies.

I wonder if GL had a better idea up his sleeve how the story could not be over after ROTJ.

 

Don't know how you feel about it, but the more lifetime passes by the more I wonder about repeating patterns.
Especially the pandemic situation lights up a lot of themes where we can see how human society gets in trouble, confronted by a crisis. All over the world people wish to forget about their own responsibility for their personal situations and look for enemies from outside instead. It's so much easier to pick a common escape goat and follow a charismatic so called leadership, that is screaming around about the enemies around us, instead of looking inside ourselves.

Star Wars as one of the stories about heroism always sticks to the one hero our group of heroes that step up and start acting while following their personal ethic believings.
Thinking ourselves as the harder way of life.

Therefore it is no wonder that the ST can't surprise the grown-up fandom that much.
We have seen stories that ate woven around a group of heroes multiple times in multiple settings. The "new" things about it could be how the sets, spaceships and costumes are designed or some surprising story telling elements or "fresh" characters.
If someone is daring to change the SW set, spaceship and costume design "dramatically" , te reaction would be... (PT)
If someone has the guts to bring a "very uncommon character", the reaction would be.. (PT, ST)..
If someone goes hard against the SW storytelling we would expect, the reaction would be.. (TLJ)
If someone would a story about the micro cosmos of "the living force", the reaction would be..(don't want to image)

 

George Lucas: “I don’t know [how the fight for racial justice impacts the Star Wars universe going forward because] I’ve kind of lost control of Star Wars so it’s going off on a different path than what I intended. But the first six [Star Wars movies] are very much mine and my philosophy sort of goes beyond any particular time. It’s based on history, it’s based on philosophy, it’s based on a lot of things, and the first three basically tell you how a democracy turns into a dictatorship and you end up with a tyrant – the Emperor. It’s very important where we are now in our political history. The other part was that in there it’s like…I purposefully – all the various colors and [[ed: video lags here]] aliens that live in that world – it’s a normal situation, there’s no real discrimination and the only discrimination is against robots. And we haven’t really reached that period yet. And I’m sure the robots will be able to overcome it because they don’t have the same feelings.” (October 16, 2020 marked private video / Melody Hobson and George Lucas – Virtual Speaker Series at The East Harlem School At Exodus House)

 

I think no matter what they did the sequels would have been controversial. You just can’t please everyone. Also look how the PT was received. George’s ideas would be received no better.

 

Solo: A Star Wars Story dropped more overt droid discrimination/droidphobia references than the PT/OT combined. But some fans didn't like it. Like really, really vocally didn't like the idea.

 

I do think that Solo had the most overt references to that

 

There's a droid in that movie who talks about little else but droid rights and droid mistreatment, and who teases the non-droids about droid/non-droid relationships then starts a droid rebellion.

 

If you are looking for an evolution in droid-human relations in the sequel trilogy then there's the scene where 3-P0 is about to have his system rebooted in order to translate the Sith dagger. This moment seems to attract a lot of criticism for being a redundant plot point. To me it was always about 3-P0's friends offering him the choice to accept the danger. Rather than it being a significant plot obstacle.

 

not a fan of the prequels or sequels, but to be fair I loather prequels, origin stories in general as their not suspenseful because you know no matter how precarious the situation the guys who make it into the original movies will get through it.
The Force awakens to me was new hope with boobies, idealistic young person w/o family (yes luke had owen and beru but like 5 minutes) living on a abrren sandbox of a planet yearning for something more, gets mixed up with a doid with a secret plan/map, meets up with a daring hot headed rogue, fights a guy with a mask and dressed in black who wants to destroy the rebellion, all eerily similar.
Am a big fan of Daisy Ridley, but do not like the character of rey, she is the ultimate mary sue, she would be far more compelling if she failed, had flaws, things that we can relate to, luke had to grow, rey came pre packaged perfect. I love that she is a strong female lead, strong does not mean flawless, let her lose, pick herself up learn from the failing and get stronger, like sarah connor, she was a damsel in distress in 1st movie, then in 2, totall bad ass, but you learned that after the events of 1st movie, she became obsessed with getting stronger,

there endeth the rant

 

Oh I know hence my overt

 

You can't get more overt than a droid shouting "droid rights" and starting a droid revolt.

 

Pablo Hidalgo: “[George Lucas said in 2015 that ‘The original saga was about the father, the children and the grandchildren; that’s not a secret to anybody, that’s even in the novels and everything …’?] As we saw in The Art of the Force Awakens (great book!), he had a different set of generational offspring for that trilogy than what the filmmakers ultimately went with. But it too would have been different than the direction publishing had gone with.” (July 2, 2021 – new public alt account of @pablohidalgo) “His story had Thea and Skyler. Not Rey or Kylo. But not Jacen or Jaina, either. (And Chewie was in it)” (July 2, 2021) (archive)

See also: [QUOTES] George Lucas

 

I’m totally with you, but what the ST needed for this to work is for the new evil to differentiate itself from the old evil in a way that makes it clear why we need a new story. Otherwise it is just a “repeat.”

In the ST, there is very little differentiation, and in fact, by TROS, they essentially admitted that Snoke and Ben were cheap knockoffs of Palpatine and Anakin. Maybe they could have started as knockoffs and still developed into something different - but I don’t believe the movies did anything to make that happen.

This is unproven, but I’ve heard rumors that GL’s ST might have been about reconstruction, rebuilding the Jedi, and dealing with remaining stormtroopers. This does sound interesting to me, but it’s not exactly clear where the conflict in the story would be.

 

If that's even partly true then ST viewers got infinitely better value from them than PT viewers got from Anakin and Palpatine.

We are always given the impression that Kylo is deceiving himself regarding his defection to the dark side. Anakin on the other hand comes across as the most suggestible Jedi that ever lived. I reckon Bib Fortuna could have pulled a successful mind trick on him.

 

What happens when someone is more loyal to people than ideals? Asking for a dead man named Tyranus.

 

Well Palpatine was like Anakin’s father figure. People tend to trust their parental figure

 

I wish that had actually been believably and consistently conveyed throughout the PT regarding Anakin and Palpatine. But Lucas has him express a desire to kill Palpatine once he learned he was a sith lord. Then Anakin immediately reports him to Windu. He only intervenes due to his growing dread of Padme's seemingly imminent death while in labour. Nothing to do with loyalty to Palpatine, who he left to the Jedi to deal with.

He didn't kill Dooku out of loyalty either. He did it because the dark side was growing in him and Palpatine nudged him in that direction. Anakin was then happy for them all to die on that ship along with Obi Wan in defiance of Palpatine's orders to leave him.

Then later still, Anakin only pledges himself to Sidious in order to save Padme and because he's for it now with the Jedi. (simply at Palpatine's suggestion of course, there is no logic to Anakin believing that the Jedi will now want to kill him).

Then there's the problem with Palpatine revealing that they will need to work together to learn how to cheat death. I guess they've got a lot of free time booked in for the next few days to do all this learning together. Because Padme is just about ready to pop. Both her kid(s) and her clogs, if Anakin's premonition is accurate.