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OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. alex

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    Him just being good doesn't seem like room to grow. He can be an interesting and decent character, but he looses much of what we loved about him. He starts as the type of guy that will gun down a bounty hunter in a bar. He struggles with his lust for money versus a desire to do the right thing. He fights to win the affections of the princess despite his low status in society and rough nature.

    After ROTJ it seems he won the girl and turned completely good. He is a high ranking officer in the republic and likely married to the head of the republic. Just my 2 cents, I'm sure not many would agree.
     
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    Some of us maybe don´t want to see this side of his career :) I wasn´t very happy about bringing old characters back, thought that like 100 years or more in the future with fresh stuff would be good, and if they really have to come back, let´s make theyr parts small, symbolic....with one exception. I wouldn´t mind to see Luke as a big one.....but Han? All centered around Han? I´m not wuite sure J.J.s´vision to have more space for the original trio is the best idea....If we really HAVE to see our heroes as old tired guys, then less is more in this case.
     
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    Same here, I don't trust them.

    I don't like the way Bob Iger talked about the early footage being 'pleasing' or whatever, he spoke about the film as if it was a product and nothing more; he's a suit.
     
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    Who said we won´t see the movies? I´ll go. Just not that enthusiastic and thinking of it as an alternate sequel. KK could be a sister to Lucas, but she doesn´t owe Lucasfilm, she´s just the president of the company. If "wise guys" upsairs say we think that this way would be better, she could just strike her cheeks together and say sir, yes sir. And no, I didn´t expect it.
     
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    I read a good Bloomberg article where Iger talked about not wanting to over hype Star Wars. He seems to have a hands off style and let's the studios get on with making good films. But he will be leaving this year and anyone replacing him night not share the same approach.
     
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    And now we see him 30 years into being a leader of men and general not just in one life risking gambit but in rebuilding the republic. Add father to that. You are limiting Han to what he was before and then saying there is nothing more to know.

    1- Han has had to learn to be a dad . . . Don't you want to know how well or horribly he did?
    2- Han is famous for a reckless gambit style . . . how does he do when the odds kill those he commands?
    3- Han was always willing to bend the rules . . . what type of war leader is he? Idealist, pragmatist,
     
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    I´m one of those who agree..
     
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    Yeah having no one to carry on Han's torch in the PT worked great lets cut him from the future movies too.
     
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    AS I SAID, KK is a friend of Lucas. I don't think she would attempt to, or want to tarnish what he created within a matter of a couple years. JJ and Co grew up with SW as we all did. If you were in JJ's shoes, would you want to trash the memory of the creator of a franchise that got you into movies and discard his ideas? I'm not saying I don't wish George's ideas be present, but we actually don't know how much got left out yet because he may be overstating it.
     
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    As long as the saga continues to focus on themes such as redemption, manipulation and spirituality.. I'll be happy. I don't care much for action or cutesy characters. Will Disney treat the films with the respect they deserve? Or will it be a vehicle to sell toys? Even Lucas lost his footing over which of those he wanted at one point. Who knows.. but i'd still rather have Disney in charge than Fox, Universal or Dreamworks.
     
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    we both have our opinion about the matter, I´m happy it didn´t disturb you the way it did to me and I´m sure there are millions of fans who never ever find out this little stories in the creation of the new star wars films (and most probably don´t care at all), but that doesn´t mean that I can´t be pesimistic and worship everything screaming to be Star Wars....
     
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    Well given the merchandising of Star Wars from day one. GL slapped that label on just about anything even before ESB was in theaters so it is gonna be a little hard to determine if its about the story or the sales.

    I think George is simply pointing out that he is not the main creative force behind these films and I am sure there are elements he proposed that were not used (is that really news I gathered that already). I also think it is his humility he does not want to detract from those who are going forward. I think his point is if the script is superb other hands have stepped in and they should get credit. I think he is playing it smart. No one can take away that Star Wars is his baby. He is doing his best to make sure that the film is out of his shadow.
     
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    A treatment can be 5 to 20 pages.
     
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    Honestly, I think George is just telling people what they want to hear. I can't believe Disney would be so stupid as to throw out everything. George has told fibs before, I'd just wait and see on this one
     
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    Yeah so this thread is kind of what I expected. If you don't understand the writing process then you probably thought that the treatments were likely far more detailed than they were.

    Here's a couple of things to keep in mind:

    1. George generally has good vision but it takes him a VERY long time to get there. If you've never looked at his early drafts before, it might be worth your time. His ideas from treatment to final draft change wildly. Put simply, whatever treatments he gave Disney would have drastically changed, even if he ended up doing the films himself, simply due to the way he works.

    2. George is a control freak. We know that. And honestly, I think he would make those statements about any departure from his original treatments.

    3. I sincerely doubt that they literally trashed his ideas. It's possible that he wrote treatments that were based upon none of the old cast returning (or maybe only one or two). That being the case, the entire treatment loses its worth dramatically once you change that aspect of it. Now that doesn't mean you throw out the skeleton ideas of the direction it goes, but it certainly needs tweaking.

    4. Let's talk "writing." Very rarely does a writer truly know exactly where he's going when he starts out, and many things will change as the process continues. From personal experience, some of my most successful and well received work evolved from outlines that look drastically different than the finished product. It's the nature of the beast.


    Don't worry yourselves so much. And to call this "fan fiction" or to think that it won't be Star Wars anymore is absurd. Imagine if the OT was based only off of George's original treatments. There likely wouldn't be an OT.
     
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    This is highly disappointing for me. I really felt like Lucas would have some stellar outlines that Arndt, JJ, and Kasdan could expand on.

    JJ Abrams is a horrible writer. Aside from Regarding Henry, nothing he's ever written really spoke to me. His pitch for that Superman movie was probably the worst thing I've read in my life AND he did write Armageddon, to boot.

    Kasdan hasn't written anything noteworthy since the 80s, does he really have magic left in the tank? I hope and pray

    They kicked an Oscar-winning writer off the project AND abandoned GL? I'm really worried.

    Say what you want about Lucas, but he is the creator. He's had 30 years to build a ST. I doubt that he didn't come up with some really good stuff. I think the layered story of the prequels is BRILLIANT, I think it's one of the greatest stories ever told, and it is simply masterful. The problem was the way Lucas structured the story and the way it was executed on screen.

    I hope and I pray they go back through the original drafts and cherry-pick unused concepts from there. It seems they have.

    Please GOD, don't let them screw up this film. I've followed this film since October 2012 and never once have I worried. Today is the first time I've ever worried, because I don't think JJ & Kasdan are better storytellers than Lucas. And I was hoping that JJ & Kasdan were just re-working Arndt's screenplay based on Lucas' outlines.

    We won't know for sure until 2025 when JW Rinzler does The Making of The Force Awakens book.

    DON'T SCREW THIS UP, JJ! THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
     
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    Spot..On.

    http://makingstarwars.net/2015/01/george-lucas-stories-no-longer-basis-star-wars-force-awakens/

    I have zero qualms either way. It's Star Wars, if i can live through George Lucas' force feeding the audience Jar Jar Binks because "He is the key to everything", I can certainly accept a JJ/Kasdan/Kennedy production of Star Wars. Way too much worrying in this thread. :D
     
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    Actually they extended his contract until 2018. But there is a rumor that his successor may be announced here in the coming weeks.

    If you recall, Disney extended Iger's contract through June 2018 back in October of last year.
     
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    I'm hoping that Lucas is just doing his usual fibbing. I will know on December 18 when I see the film if I think something came from Lucas or from elsewhere.
     
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    You mean, if the movie isn't up to peoples expectations he can just push the blame onto Disney for not using his treatments.. That could work. :)
     
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