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OFFICIAL NEWS Disney didn’t Use George Lucas’ Ideas for The Force Awakens.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. Willybobo

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    1. Bob Iger and George Lucas in happier times

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    2. Bob LIgEr reveals himself as George Lucas thinks 'WHAT HAVE I DONE?!'
     
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    http://bigshinyrobot.com/58402/disney-still-using-lucass-star-wars-ideas/

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    Nah, I think it would be blatantly obvious how much of his treatments/ assistance they used. The sad thing is it may not be very clear until we see the actual film. Just depends how much is going to be kept secret until release. Regardless, I think there's going to be plenty 'Disney intervened here' moments in the film, even in a best case scenario. At this point, as long as the film is entertaining, I'll be okay with it. I can always just pretend there's 6 Star Wars films and this ain't one of them.

    Though to be honest seeing Han Solo again should be enough to solve everyone's problems
     
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    This all could be truth. But I don´t see the connection, the feedback Disney-George....if the guy isn´t liying, there are no questions and advices, that´s what worries me...George didn´t sound like "he´s there for them"

    To me, seeing again (and again, and again) Jack Sparrow was not enough to get over the idiocy of Black Pearl´s sequels...
     
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    I agree, I was just trying to be optimistic lol I'm a bit worried about Lucas' quote, would be silly not to be, but in the end nothing can be done about it. It is what it is. I just really hope Disney were not that stupid...
     
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    It seems GL can't ever win. If he had said they kep most of it then people would complain. He says they didn't and people complain about JJ and Kasdan.
     
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    and that´s the only thing we can do about it....try to stay optimistic....about Disney.....I don´t know....they have dollars in theyr eyes, so they will do what they think will make more money, that´s the difference, George did it no matter anybody thought, his way...time will tell...would be decent from JJ to call Lucas once in a month with an "what do you think, George?".....at least...
     
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    Could this actually be what everyone is missing? We knew a long time ago that the production moved away from arndt's version

    ----2013
    http://www.slashfilm.com/michael-ar...e-vii-j-j-abrams-and-lawrence-kasdan-writing/

    Lucas approached Hamill to play Luke as an "obi-Wan" role and to hand it down to the next generation.




    http://www.slashfilm.com/one-year-later-everything-we-know-about-star-wars-episode-vii/2/

    So isn't this close to accurate?

    The arndt script went in "Lucas' direction" Kasdan is not following the arndt script so lucas is saying "not the ones i wrote" because its not arndt's version of lucas's plan.

    Or am I completely off-target?(x-wing) :p
     
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    The more i'm reading, the more i'm starting to think "i can't believe we have fallen for sensationalist journalism"

    http://www.slashfilm.com/disney-abandoned-george-lucas-star-wars-7/

    So this is lucas' overall outline and just tweaking it to JJ/Kennedy's/Kasdan's view.

    http://www.slashfilm.com/disney-abandoned-george-lucas-star-wars-7/

    So Lucas set the outline before the sale, he got arndt to write the script with the youth focus, he sold the company, JJ/Kennedy didn't feel arndt's script was right for episode VII

    http://www.slashfilm.com/michael-ar...e-vii-j-j-abrams-and-lawrence-kasdan-writing/

    hence the "LUCAS" focus on youth in episode VII is shown via Rey, Finn, Kylo, Poe BUT now the inclusion of Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie in a more integral role has lead Lucas to say this

    "The ones that i sold to disney" = Arndt's and Lucas' version that Kasdan changed, which we knew since 2013

    "So they made up their own" = JJ/Kasdan new script with younger characters taking less of main role from the start and possibly Luke not "being obi-wan and handing down Excalibur" means its not lucas' version of "putting the old characters" in the background - Which we knew when Kasdan took over.

    If Lucas' "ones that he sold to disney" were all about the new generation "taking Excalibur" and forgetting the OT characters, then what has changed? All that i can see that is changed is that the younger characters are actually interacting more with the OT characters in this movie compared to how Arndt had planned it out.

    To those that are really worried or those claiming episode VII is now fan fiction or EU material based off Lucas' comments (not aimed at you @Bluemilk ;) ), i think Lucas' comments should be thoroughly questioned, as i think there is enough material out their to question this notion that disney threw everything out .
     
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    5 pages would be a very short treatment and that does not change the fact that Lucas said it had plot holes in it and was incomplete. he did not go into details.
     
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    I both like this and dislike this. Like it in that Lucas won't have to be ever blamed for Star Wars' popularity drops, bad scripts, etc. The sad part in this is that seeing how Disney has nearly been spot on with every movie they've had a propriety control of, like Marvel and Pixar, Lucas will still be blamed for the "bad" prequels (honestly were good, if not great movies, with a nice back-story fleshed in its entirety in TCW). I dislike that his whole script may be ignored. While they were very basic and stuff and could be forever lost, I honestly think still that Abrams and Kasdan just "sped up" the process and made the script much faster than Lucas could. I mean, the original Star Wars even today is bizarre, and Lucas as a Director, with no intention to criticize here, doesn't quite match up to Producer Lucas, who I feel becomes more involved with the story and acting than the effects and merchandise, etc. In the end, long live Star Wars!
     
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    Relax everyone. Just remember when GL speaks that "Greedo shot first." Not everything he says is always 100% the truth. This movie still has the makings to be great.
     
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    Remember that Kasdan was used mainly for the screenplays, he would have taken a final draft of the script and removed pointless things, expanded on the set pieces and made sure there was no awkwardness, you can't go straight to a funny moment after a character dies for example.. That was the main part of his role on both Empire and ROTJ.. but he came up with a few good story ideas in the process.
    JJ blurs the line between a traditional director (David Fincher) and a writer-director (Quentin Tarantino) and likes to be the screenwriter on his films, so him and Kasdan are potentially a screenwriting dream team.

    I predict the script will be 60-80% Michael Ardnt, 10-30% JJ/Kasdan and a few of Lucas' and Ralph Mcquarrie's ideas will find their way into the trilogy. The fact Rian Johnson is writing the next one is a good sign, it means Arndt's talents haven't been stretched thin over three films (this happened in the writing of Prometheus and that's why it feels like a half a movie)
     
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    Will be having words with my source! cant figure out how to send link but was a intresting article. Bloomberg. How disney bought lucasfilm
     
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    Let us not forget that this is the same man that many bashed his writing for the PT.

    I am old enough to remember this..

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    If he presented these sorts of ideas and I were JJ, I'd threaten to walk to. Truth is, none of us know what the original treatments looked like. I know that it must have been a really hard conversation to have with Lucas/Ardnt. I'd imagine the powers that be would have given them every chance to get it right.. However, Disney can't risk spending billions on an investment that includes changing their theme parks on crap. Kudos to having the courage to tell the "creator" to go pound sand if what he presented was crap.
     
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    Just cause I'm seeing more sites trying to resurrect the rumor that it was done to put the new characters on the backburner...what about Mark hamill actually SAYING it's about the new generation no one has asked him about this so its NOTHING like saying into darkness does not involve khan
     
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