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DJ and the "Arms Dealer's" Ship

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lock_S_Foils, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. Lock_S_Foils

    Lock_S_Foils Red Leader

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    I'm a huge fan of TLJ but the scene with DJ discussing "the arms dealer who made his bank selling weapons to the bad guys....and the good" was probably my most unfavorite of the movie.

    Not necessarily because I disagree with DJ's assessment of "the bad and the good", as I am not one of those subscribers to it being a "big machine" as he describes, but because it doesn't fit what actually happened with starship manufacturers.

    Incom, Sienar Systems and other starship manufacturers were "imperialized" by the Empire, i.e. their operations taken over. The Empire had no need to procure starships or tech from "middlemen" like the owner of the ship DJ stole from Canto Bight. And the Resistance worked directly with Incom/Freitek after they splintered off from Incom to get T-70/T-85 X-Wings.
     
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    daRinze Rebel Official

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    My thoughts:

    1. you speak about a period during the OT, speaking of "the Empire". I think DJ rather refers to the New Republic period, located between ROTJ and TFA. After the Empire collapsed, arms manufacturers may have returned to commercial business, and they even may have taken advantage of the political instability to sell even more arms and more guns... both to good and to bad guys :)

    2. for my part, when I heard that sentence from DJ, it made me immediately think to the Jedi conducting the Clone Wars. Is a Jedi supposed to kill someone and bring death? No. But they did, right? They led thousands of human beings (even if they all were clones) to a death which was certain.
    "The good can eventually become evil, like the Jedi behaved during TCW" : that is was I thought when DJ spoke, and it was in line with his "guns can also be sold to the good".

    :)
     
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    You are right....my bad....need to do a little more research on the state of spacecraft companies in the FO era. However I am not a subscriber of the DJ “there are no good guys nor bad guys” nebulous argument....
     
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    You don't have to subscribe to it, just acknowledge that it's a viable conclusion for someone who, guessing by his age, has been born into war and lived to see another start could come to.
     
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    I really like this moment in the movie. One of my least favourite things in TLJ is how black and white Rose's view on Canto Bight is. I mean, I don't mind it as the character's point of view, it fits her, but it came across as somewhat naive moralisation. It's a matter of scene execution, I guess. Anyway, DJ's line is a nice counterweight and the concept of a grey area in the time of war is interesting.
     
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    OK I will acknowledge it.....and vehemently disagree.
     
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    And that's perfectly reasonable to do.
    It's essentially Rose's and Finn's conclusion too.

    But the point of the character is just to make the audience aware that there ARE people who support neither side.
     
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    One thought more:
    Star Wars is about the Good and the Evil (like many other movies or stories) : dark side/light side, empire/rebellion, sith/jedi... Anakin/Vader...

    DJ just has "another point of view" on the world he lives in : he doesn't classify people between "good" and "bad", but rather between "make profit" and "make no profit". So he reasonnably says "There are no good guys and no bad guys" because for him, this criteria makes no sense. His own criteria is rather "Dangerous or Safe" and "Money or No money".
    It was more or less the same when Han Solo met Ben in the Tatooine Cantina : make money was the only goal for him. He could have carried Official Ambassadors or Murderers, from the moment he gets paid... the Falcon would have made the run.
     
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    DJ is the counter to Han.
    If Han didn't turn back to save Luke...he's basically DJ.

    This makes Finn essentially the blank slate between the two. He can keep running, like in TFA and eventually he becomes DJ. Or he can decide he has to take a stand, and become Han.

    This, IMO, is Finn's arc. He's a man stuck between two ideals: the DJ and the Han. in TLJ he makes his choice "No, rebel scum."
    Ep 9 should, again IMO, show him growing into that role and accepting it fully.
     
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