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SPECULATION Do Rey's Parents Matter?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Apr 7, 2018.

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Do Rey's Parents Matter?

  1. No - Kylo Ren and the new Jedi Order are Rey's priorty

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  2. Yes - The key to Rey's future is in her past

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    As you say, it was all right there for us to see. But the JJ mystery box was too strong and sucked the fandom in with it.
     
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    Why didn't we ask who Han's parents/family was in ANH? It wasn't part of the set up.

    Rey's family/parents where but RJ & his infinite creativity just decided to toss it away like a certain lightsaber.

    But that's a story 4 another time.
     
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    Not really, even the chosen one had to learn to use his power, it took way more time than one half lesson and books.
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    This is actually a big part of TLJ too and it leaded nowhere.
     
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    Technically RJ took the set up, expanded it to Rey's major weakness and then exploited it for drama in Kylo's appeal.

    Another comparison would be RJ & his infinite creativity treating it like a Thala-siren and milking it.

    Fair to say the result had an unexpected color and had some screwing up their noses. :p
     
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    I think it's the combination of force user/central character. With Luke we find out Vader is his father (Padme his mother later on), with Anakin, we find out the Force is his father and Shmi his virgin mother. No one asked for Obi-Wan's, Qui-Gon's, Han's, Leia's (though we eventually got it due to familial ties), Finn's or Poe's, mostly because they weren't the central character. In some cases they obviously had force powers, but the PT explained that away so as not to go into family history with every force user (kids were taken from parents to be trained by Jedi at a young age). So at this point it's tradition that main characters who are force users that fans learn of their parentage. Six movies that's happened, and you can argue that Kylo is as much a central character as Rey in the ST, and his parentage is clearly defined as well (so eight movies minus Rey). So Rey is the anomaly in a series that has been defined by family, past and present.

    With Rey the question came up in TFA, we got an explanation, but a abbreviated one that although it seems to suggest there's nothing special there, that in itself, the difference, has many fans even more curious since it's not the norm.

    I wonder if anyone would be wondering about Rey parents had TFA never asked the question for fans? I think they would have just because of the history of SW has always been a family thing, but having a mystery box attached to it has definitely amped up the speculation.
     
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    I could never stop care about my parents.Moreso if I would not be sure about their destiny,never knowing their true story it will push me to reconcile with my past.

    Thus I have serrious difficulty to understand how can any parents not matter,and how is possible for Rey,and her story arc to simply pass over them .

    Rey was seeking for her parents..The question of her parents was important to her.
     
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    I think the poll should have been multiple choices, with her parents, Kylo and the new jedi order being separate options, as Kylo is no longer associated with the jedi prder (he might be in the future but that cannot be assumed at this point). That being said, I think Rey's priority should be setting up a new jedi order.
     
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    Me too, but there is a difference between the real and the fictional world. Rey's parents matter as long as the story needs them.

    And now she knows the answer. An answer which will make her grow as a character.
     
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    Rey grew as character by defying Kylo Ren in his attempt to get her on his side , by counting on her loneliness and the fact (truth or not) her parents were 2 junk dealers.
    Despite feeling of absolute loneliness, and facing fact her parents were bad people, she prevailed Dark side and has given to Kylo a one big NO.

    By this Rey showed her decision perfect and her choice right, her integrity Superior, regardless of who her parent were.

    This however does not meen her parents does not meen to her anything anymore. Contrary, person with such proven perfect moral,perfect integrity, shoud care about them still and try to reconcile with her past.
     
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    https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a14531472/rey-parents-star-wars-9/

    But Johnson also kept the mystery alive, saying, “Anything’s still open, and I’m not writing the next film. [J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio] are doing it."

    The identity of Rey's parents could be changed in episode 9. It all depends on what direction JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio decide to take.
    The episode 8 reveal was necessary to allow her to grow as a character. Any subsequent parent reveal will not overshadow her achievements (even if it she belongs to a well known family) as she became a hero without relying on her family's accomplishments. A later parent reveal will be more for her than for her place in the world or for others.
     
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    Rian Johnson is consistently telling only this:What is adressed in TLJ about Rey's parents is ultimate challenge to Rey, hardest thing she could hear ..mr Johnson is also repeating this words:In that moment.

    No more,no less.
     
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    Sure, but the question is why should she care if she's related to some dead person? She's going to be a Jedi and a Jedi must let go of these kind of connections. Look at the family trouble "connections" have caused. Sure, it led Anakin back, but it also led to his fall. Luke couldn't get past the shame with his nephew.
     
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    On the other hand, Luke discovered he had a twin sister and she turned out to be a source of strength for him and even saved his life in ESB....and yet, it had no impact on his decision to be/not be a jedi. Family is not the problem for jedi, extreme emotions are the issue.
     
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    Yes really.
    Impossible shot needed to defeat the Death Star? Don't worry, The Force will take care of it.
    Stuck upside down weaponless vs a giant ice monster? Force has your back.
    No teacher? Force has your hookup.
    Race that no human has ever won? Force can make it easy.

    What is? Rey's parentage? It leads somewhere. Just not where you wanted which is totally different than "nowhere"
    JJ made it clear Rey's parents were no one. But he couldn't resist these silly little lines Maz: "Who's the girl?" and Kylo" What girl?!!"
    It implies importance or legacy to her while everything else doesn't. They were red herrings. They were mystery boxes.
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    And yet it almost lead to him surrendering to the dark side in his final confrontation with Vader and took an enormous feat of internal strength to fight it off when Vader tried to use it against him. So yes it did impact him, he just overcame it. Just like Rey will overcome her lack of hereditary importance in a story that for 30+ years has been all about hereditary importance.
     
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    I don't recall Rey ever saying she belonged to an illustrious lineage at any point of time in the two movies or in any other materials. She said she was a nobody throughout. All she wanted was to get her parents back. When she was told she was dead, she had to shift her focus to being the jedi hero that she hoped Luke (and later Kylo) would be. So if it now turns out she came from an important lineage, it would be irrelevant as she became a hero despite it instead of relying on it.

    Now in Luke's case, I agree that Vader's taunting about his sister pushed him to fight, but he didn't succumb to it. Also, it was Luke's love for his father that made him risk his life to bring him back to the light, a very jedi trait. So the problem isn't about having family, the problem is about being overly attached to anything and therefore being vulnerable to manipulation.
     
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    Not where I wanted it to go ? What are you talking about ? I was on Rey orphant from day 1 and you can see it in the appropriate thread.

    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....eys-father-the-evidence-for-and-against.9114/

    If the answer is noone, it is no use to put 2 hours of a plot on this. It's like going to search for the ring and coming back with nothing after 2 hours.



    This is when you know when people are going crazy it's when they say yes OK, it's horrible but the other movies were horrible too.

    Fun to read.
     
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    For me they matter becuase the films have spent to long dwelling on the question of who they were, if it had just been "my parents are dead they sold me" from day one then this debate wouldnt matter, the fact the spent so much time in both films building up the question and setting up a mystery, and when you answer it with meh they where no one its is of course going to fall a bit flat.

    I don't really mind them being no one, in fact in the normal state of affairs i like the idea coming from no where, with drunkerd parents who sold her becoming a hero and been chosen by the force to challenge some one with lineage of Ben/Kylo.

    I just wish they hadn't wasted so much screen time raising the question if that was the answer.
     
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    Bracing myself for the down votes and arguments here, but yes, it matters now. It's just my opinion on this, but it matters because Rey does not stand on her own as a character. There has not been enough development and she hasn't been fleshed out enough to make me feel much for this character. I cared about her and was anxious to see where things went for her after TFA. Not so much now. When it comes to the force, she's had very little struggle or challenge and seems to master things for no other reason than "just because" and she believes really hard - like a Harry Potter movie.:rolleyes: This doesn't make the character rootable and relatable at all to me. Some will say she had to deal with the truth about her parents and that was a challenge. Really? She cried a couple of tears and got over it pretty quick. Same with failing to turn Kylo. She high tailed it out of there while he was knocked out, then gave him the world's nastiest look and severed their connection. Done. I didn't see any trauma or her reeling from any failure. The infallible, no name supergirl doesn't inspire me to root for her. Give her a relevant lineage and maybe it will give me a reason to care.
     
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    Do you imagine Luke is ESB spending two hours searching for Yoda and coming back to Bespin saying : I didn't find him.
     
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    Some are accusing fans for imagning importance of Rey parents question in TFA and creating theories and expecations while supposedly honest filmmakers told us from the start they are nobody?
    The truth is they used this same Rey parentage intrigue to help lure us into theaters,which continued in endless debates about Rey parents since entire TFA is one big red herring based around question of Rey's origin, a parents who are somewhere and Rey is looking for them in everyone ,including Han,Leia and Luke is waiting for her,plus even Kenobi sublime hints put in the film.
    They cashed almost 2.1 billion dollars from TFA by the help of this powerful impulse of mystery, and nostalgia.

    After TLJ those of us who didn't adapted to negative shock of our love Rey been orphan sold by child abuse parents, got thanks by been credited as Star Wars haters.
     
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