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SPECULATION Do Rey's Parents Matter?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Apr 7, 2018.

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Do Rey's Parents Matter?

  1. No - Kylo Ren and the new Jedi Order are Rey's priorty

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  2. Yes - The key to Rey's future is in her past

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    This is nonsense.
    None of this makes sense.

    You said Force Deus Ex Machina as though this is a new or original thing in Star Wars. It isn't.
    The force, and it's users, have always been this. It's not new to Rey. It's not magically a bad thing because she's who she is.

    She has to find who she is and her place in this. She was abandoned by her family and she's not wanted to believe it. She's wanted to believe they were coming back. That's her journey. It's an internal one. The two hours isn't about finding out she's no one, it's about finding her role in this world and accepting it. It's there to contrast the "royal" blood line of Kylo Ren who thinks he's owed all these things because he is a descendant of Anakin Skywalker.

    So your general theory of "spending two hours finding nothing" is just wrong. It's not like any of the other examples you give later either.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 8, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 8, 2018 ---
    This would be great if it were a comparable thing. But it's not, somehow I don't think you'll care though
     
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    You're not gonna get voted down! You're entitled to your opinion. However, I can't disagree with this enough. Rey certainly stands as a character and an icon at this point.
    Again, this thread is for Episode IX. Rey's parents mattered in the the first two episodes as a challenge for the character Rey. She was faced with having to deal with the truth. Kylo attempted to manipulate that truth for his own advantage.
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    Rey admits her parents were "nobody." When Luke was told by Vader his reaction was disbelief at a truth he'd never considered. Rey admits the truth and has to deal with the truth she's always known.
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    Sure, they could retcon that Kylo was lying to her, but these two are linked. Kylo is simply telling the ugly version of the truth. Her parents didn't give a damn about her. He is using that truth to manipulate her into joining him. Rey is faced with that dark choice and chooses the light.
     
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    So we're not going to argue about this for 6 pages??:p;) Rey works for you and that's great. I'm just not feeling the character in that way. Maybe something will change in IX to make me feel different, relevant parents or not.
     
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    There's nothing to argue about... the question is about Rey's parents and do they matter for Episode IX. Our personal "feelings" about Rey are for another thread.
     
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    Well, like anything that happens in the previous episodes, it effects what follows. Many obviously feel that the resolution to a question that was given a lot of screen time in the first 2 episodes, was answered in a way that felt a bit flat and didn't warrant the style and amount of build up that was given to it, so needs further development in episode 9. Hence why their is still so much debate about it.

    I also don't feel like it was presented to the audience as something the character had to come to terms with, it was presented more as a mystery that the character had to solve. I would have loved to have seen an arc were Rey was dealing with the fact her drunkard parents had just given her up to basically be a slave, that would have been really interesting and its something i would like to see explored if the answer to who her parents are remains the same in episode 9.
     
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    Interesting take. No wonder the issue of her parentage in the future is a hot topic - it cuts through different camps!

    It matters to some who related to Rey purely because it matters to her.
    It matters to some who didn't relate to Rey because a dramatic lineage may bolster their interest.
    I can understand why this doesn't rate as highly as a challenge for some viewers but I like it.
    I think it clarifies and strengthens major SW themes like hope.

    Rey's struggle is primarily an existential one stemming from the emphasis she put in her parents and their return.
    Her attachment to the past was holding her back from fearless action (directly mirroring Luke and Kylo's internal struggles in TLJ).

    Once Rey manages to let go of relying on her parents story to add legitimacy to "her place in all this" her journey moves from one of
    • Helpless Hopea longing for a future condition over which she feels little agency
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    • Capable Hopea longing for a future condition over which she feels she can actively contribute to.
    This new hope doesn't offer a specious comfort that lies outside of oneself like the narratives her and Luke had internalized to make them feel better.
    It's a resolute hope based on experience and action - it doesn't ignore or kill the past but draws on it to inform a future that isn't bound by the past.

    This is a huge personal realization Rey learns with Luke and Finn during TLJ:
    That their place is within a hopeful journey where failure and sacrifice can actually contribute as steps toward their ultimate goal.
     
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    I agree. I think an internal struggle like this one, that doesn't have this grand "I am your father" moment to really overtly change the stakes but keeps it internal...is a bit difficult to relate to for some because it's not right there in a big gesture moment. It seems "lesser" because it isn't that cliffhanger.

    Can Rey still be okay with being the hero or the lead without this grand backstory behind her? She's not special. She's not a Skywalker etc. Will she still be able to handle this...and be able to translate this into her journey. How different would Luke's journey been if his father wasn't Darth Vader?
     
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    If those words about Rey parents were said only by Kylo, almost nobody would believe.Isn't it? It would be actually a strong hint its opposite.

    Rey accepted her parents are nobody's and indeed said it by her own words.
    Rey however didn't said her parents are 2 junk dealers who sold her for drinking money.Kylo said that. Kylo also said that because of this fact, Rey is also nobody. Whataya know.

    Rey could not identiffy her parents despite her life long struggle to find at least a clue about them, she surrendered after the Dark cave, concluding they must be, obviously, nobody.
    She fell on her knees in Dark cave, in her dispair, she found nothing.It was end of her quest for parents.

    Kylo Ren however reveals himself by pushing the humilliation of Rey's parents , and Rey herself trough this .

    Even before they touched hands,before Dark cave, when he was shirtless(Kylo muscles), Kylo already pressed Rey with "Your parents threw you away like garbage".. Rey was than still resisting.

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    Why was Rey going into Dark cave to seek the truth, if Kylo Ren was righ that she always knew?
    And how did Kylo knew Rey parents threw her away like garbage even before they touched hands?

    Rey say she felt Kylo's future when they touched hands, but Kylo claims her parents threw her away already in a scene before they touched hands ?

    Rey didn't always knew anything, just has lost hope after Dark cave information blackout, which was, by coincidence just after Kylo has shaken her with his "thrown away like garbage".So everythig there was under the influence of the dark side.

    . And this all we have is rey admitts she has lost her fight to find identity of her parents, admitts tehy were nobody's in front of agressive Kylo Ren who persists, from the time even before Dark cave, and theor touch, that her parents are junk.

    Last but not least. Is dark side suddenly telling the truth and only but the truth?

    “The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is.”
     
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    Kylo tells that because Rey's parents are nobody, Rey is nobody to .She's nobody, she's nothing in this story (but not to "His generousity Kylo the compassionate" :p).

    I disagree with Kylo , Rey is great hero for all of us, despite who her parents are.
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    However, the greatness this has nothing to do with...mhhhhhhh

    "Those books didn't contain anything that girl Rey does not already possess...
    .......a need in front of your nose....."

    ...her greatest need .........to find her parents...

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    Rey failed to identiffy her parents despite she fought for this entire her life.At last she fell on her knees in the dark cave after she failed in every intent to understand her lineage.

    The last that could have help in this was a lost old hermit , who didn't sough her need in front of his very nose".

     
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    It's odd that Kylo says "kill the past" but he's consumed with the past. He's obsessed with his grandfather. He killed his father. He is consumed with hate for Luke. All of these things are in the past.

    Meanwhile Rey has been waiting for her parents even though she knows deep down they abandoned her. Which kind of makes sense. Good parents wouldn't leave a child with Unkar Plutt. Rey could use this to turn to the dark side. She could feel sorry for herself. Here she is though, super optimist and willing to do the right thing. Contrast this to Kylo Ren who is super privileged. He's a rich kid and he's the one that's on the dark side.

    Rey has already worked through her past. Kylo Ren has not.
     
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    It's less odd when you realize that killing the past is wrong and that's why Kylo is screaming like a madman. He thinks killing the past (literally) is going to make it better instead of reconciling with it. He's wrong. You don't kill the past. (Though the jokes/memes based on it are dope)

    You do what Yoda said. Reconcile with it. Accept it and realize those you impact will grow beyond your past failures.
     
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    Right. Kylo is a villain, and a clearly unstable one.

    It's like the Joker and his multiple autobiographical origins stories. Clearly, the contradiction stems from his instability, and you can't take what he says at face value at all- but there's still some truth to be found by looking at the claims, at least truth to be found in his own character.
     
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    So , we have converged , Rey's past (thus her parents to), are not important only in the eyes of our Kylo Ren who is obviously wrong about great many things.

    Whataya know.
    :D
     
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    I think that there is some degree of legacy that her parents had (you know, by being actual people) that Rey may or may not still see value in.

    That does not mean that she's a Skywalker/Kenobi/Palpatine/whatever. Heck, I know little about who my great-grandparents are, but I think it'd be interesting to see the legacy of my family and where we came from. Doesn't mean I'm descended from the Washingtons or Rockafellers.
     
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    Yeah, but If you will find your gran-granddady was Washington it would change your story I assure you.

    More dirrectly so if it was Rockafeller.:eek::D
     
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    To be honest, I probably wouldn't believe you.
     
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    .. you will seek....suddenly feeling something moved out there in the night, behind you...after you turn...it disappears to distance but its still visible, faint, distant...while you move towards it upstairs to make it more clear what is it..
    ....slowly taking shape in the eyes like a far away beacon, a point of light slowly becaming larger, and larger ,its shape slowly taking familliar shape surrounded by bluish glowing, up on the cliff of the same island surrounded by night, while you struggle and move up again on those same stairs towards it, towards the unbelievable thing that has passed by you, and you passed by him,the fear like it will now finally dissapear forever before you get there ,with so much that was left unspoken, unclear, but no, its still there, again you see it, its really there, same jet different,now knowing what is waiting for,what he was waiting all those years, waiting for you, while you approach with the tears in your eyes as the dark shadows of the past that have contested you both dissapear like a courtain and your eyes and feelings are finally catching from the well of Cosmic Force what is against all odds the unbelievable truth about you, your place and your purpose in the galaxy.
    .. a voice..."Rey".
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    Is that a quote from the TLJ book by Jason Fry?

    Thank god for commas, I needed to breath.
     
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    I named it "Third lesson".
    In original version I wrote on paper (and on Croatian) Its layered like a poem.The picture is found on internet , and sticked below the paper on the wall at me(found it to be integral part of it).



    "Third lesson"

    ..you will seek..
    suddenly feeling something moved out there in the night,
    behind you..after you turn...it dissapears to distance
    but its still visible.
    faint, distant...while you move towards it upstairs
    to make clear what is it..
    slowly taking shape in the eyes like a far away beacon,
    a point of light slowly becoming larger,
    its shape slowly taking familiar shape
    surrounded by bluish glowing,
    up on the cliff of the same island surrounded by night,
    while you struggle and move up
    again
    on those same stairs
    towards it,
    towards the unbelievable thing that has passed by you,
    and you passed by him,the fear like it will now finally dissapear forever
    before you get there,
    with so much that was left unspoken, unclear,
    but no, its still there, again you see it,
    its really there, same jet different,
    now knowing what is waiting for,
    what was waiting all those years,
    waiting for you,
    while you approach with the tears in your eyes
    as the dark shadows of the past that have contested you both
    dissapear like a courtain
    and your eyes and feelings are finally catching
    from the well of Cosmic Force
    what is against all odds
    the unbelievable truth about you,
    your place and your purpose in the galaxy.
    ..a voice..."Rey".
    [​IMG]
     
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    Correct... I wonder if this bloodline obsession is a product of fans watching same Star Wars films for decades. The idea is so entrenched in the minds for some fans that they can't think about Star Wars without thinking "who is this character related to?"

    Which is why when someone like Daisey Ridley is introduced to this saga, is told about her character's history, and is then confused as to why there's a debate about something so seemingly obvious.
     
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