SPECULATION Do you think Disney should re-make the Prequels?

And the misfires featured in the OT and "The Force Awakens"? What should Disney do about them? If they will not retouch the mistakes in the OT and "TFA", why bother redoing the mistakes in the PT?

 

The OT and TFA aren't anywhere near as bad as the prequels. The level and amount of failures is great. Deal with it.

 

No. But if they were to redo any of them they'd have to redo all of the films as none of them are without flaws.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 8, 2016, Original Post Date: Jul 8, 2016 ---

As someone once said "Only in your mind my young Padawan."

All (well, most) of us love the OT and TFA, but our love does not blind us to the flaws in those films. Not so much as the hate of the detractors of the PT blinds them to its strengths. All of the films happen to be flawed and none more or less than another. Deal with that.

 

I know the OT and TFA have flaws. Every film does. But to say that the PT has a similar amount of flaws is just not true, even from a certain point of view. My dislike of the prequels COMES from these flaws, these severe, major flaws, not because of blind dislike. The strengths of the prequels are few (especially from a storytelling perspective) and the flaws numerous. This is coming from someone who didn't hate the prequels off the bat. I grew up with them just as I grew up with the original trilogy. But as I got older, the more I just saw three poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly directed messes that could have been three really great films that could have exceeded the OT in quality.

 

Actually, the statement that no film is flawed more or less than the other is just silly. Regardless of one's personal leanings, most everyone probably agrees that some films in any given film series are more flawed than other ones. Most OT fans for instance would say that RotJ is the most flawed of the three films, even if they still love it. I agree that people's hate of the PT does tend to blind them to the things those films did right(particularly in the design and world building areas), but I also personally feel that those films are far more flawed than the OT, and frankly, so do most fans and critics.

Simply look at the ranking of the Star Wars films on Rotten Tomatoes. TPM is the only one with a rotten rating at 55%(still over half of the critics recommended it though), while AotC has a 65%(although its a worse film than TPM IMO) and RotS has a 79%. For comparison, the OT films have scores of 93%(ANH), 94%(ESB) and 80(RotJ). Even the lowest ranked OT movie is still ranked higher than the best ranked PT movie. Even more telling is the audience ratings. The PT films have 60%(TPM), 58%(AotC) and 65%(RotS). The OT films however are all in the mid 90s with 96%(ANH), 97%(ESB) and 94%(RotJ). If we were grading these films like school papers, by those metrics the films in the PT would have F-C grades from critics and F-D grades from fans. The OT on the other hand would have A-B- grades from critics and straight As from fans. Also of note of course is TFA with a 92% from critics and a 89% from fans. Not on par with the better OT films, but still ahead of the PT.

Looking at these stats however doesn't support the argument that the majority, or even close to half of fans outright hate the PT as some would argue, but they do show that the OT is the superior trilogy in the minds of most critics and fans.

As I've said before though, regardless of your feelings on the PT, remaking the it would be stupid on multiple levels.

 

Agreed. Leaving them alone angers no one (well, it doesn't change the anger at least), remaking them would anger some. Disney and Lucasfilm should just move forward and tell new stories instead telling those that could have been better.

 

Yeah, I don't see too much point in it. The memory on prequels is not bad as movies with their flaws (too numerous to count) themselves. It's like fan fiction or Expanded Universe, sure there are some terrible stuff, but all key-points are as awesome as any other. Anakin's podrace game (come on, that was cool), Droideka's in 1, Darth Maul in 1, Palpatine & Sidious (without vs Yoda fight circus), Anakin becoming Darth Vader in 3, Padme being badass in 2, Obi VS Jango Fett in 2... When pointed out, all these details look legendary.

 

Exactly. I honestly don't think the prequels are that bad, but I do know they've received a lot of hate and I guess I can understand why. They are very different to the original trilogy. But as you said, there is no way anyone can make something that everyone will love without question. There will always be something someone somewhere doesn't like, or disagrees with. The prequels are an example of this. Because they are so different, people have rejected them. Why not enjoy the creative new worlds, or the superbly choreographed lightsaber duels? Why not let yourself enjoy the prequels, even though they aren't the best Star Wars movies in the saga? Why are people so intent on hating them that they miss the good in them, what makes Star Wars amazing? There are those elements in the prequels, you just have to open your eyes and be less narrow minded about what you see. Darth Vader wasn't all bad. Because Luke saw the good in him, that's why he changed back to the light.

After all, if Darth Vader can change, so can you.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2016, Original Post Date: Jul 10, 2016 ---

I understand the anger over the Han Solo spin-off. Harrison Ford was the reason Han Solo was such a hit. Sure, there were a lot of contributing factors that made him so beloved by fans (including myself) but can you honestly say that any other actor would do the character of Han Solo justice, after we've seen the way Harrison Ford beautifully portrayed him? Han Solo's story has been told. I enjoyed every moment of it, as I'm sure almost everyone did, but as unfortunate as it is, his journey has ended. Going back to retell the events of his past before A New Hope, with a completely different actor is just an extremely outrageous way to make money and I believe it is a mistake. Don't get me wrong, they may make a good movie out of it, but I don't understand how they can expect it to be very widely accepted.

And here we are talking about the prequels...

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2016 ---

No, even the thought of remaking the originals is simply Bantha fodder! They cannot be touched. And I honestly don't see the flaws you are all talking about. In the original trilogy, there are zero flaws. Personally, I wouldn't change a thing.

And I see where you're coming from. Yes, there are elements in the PT I would have liked to see done better, but what's done is done, and the end result is no where near as bad as what you are making it sound. Go ahead, make the anthology movies (I am very excited for them!), obviously continue the sequel trilogy (only 522 days to go...I CAN'T WAIT!!!) and by all means make an Obi Wan Kenobi spin-off (I don't think his story has been fully told yet) but leave everything else alone!! Han Solo spin-off? Forget it. His story has been told already, and it's Harrison Ford or nothing. Prequels? Leave them be, hating them isn't going to do anything, so maybe try to enjoy them for a change. I'm all for the spin-offs about untold stories that fill in the gaps of the saga, but don't try to force another gap where one shouldn't be (re: Han Solo spin-off). The prequels have been made, and who knows? If Disney did try to remake them, (which they won't; there are too many strings attached) they could end up even worse than before.

 

The only thing I think should be done to them is that they get the special edition treatment.... polished cgi, deleted scens re-added, etc.

 

I agree with this 100%. Even the thought of rebooting the OT is absurd, and except for a couple of things in ep VI there is nothing I would change.
There are so many things in the PT however which I would change. In fact, mostly when I think about Star Wars I rahter use my headcanon to the pre-OT era.
Im not satisfied with what we've got to say the least and I would gladly see how other artists would present us the fall of the Republic and the turn of Vader.

 

This I'm totally fine with actually, just as the OT was tinkered with to "improve" the films, it only seems fair that the PT gets the same treatment. One change for the good was when Lucas removed the awful looking puppet Yoda in TPM and replaced it with the better looking CGI version(one case where CGI definitely trumped practical effects). Honestly though, there aren't that many changes that could be made in that area without massive overhauls to be honest, so I kinda doubt we will see anything like that.

 

The Prequels don't need special editions, they're already VERY special.

 

I don't regard either the OT or the PT as bad. I think both trilogies are great. But for me, "The Force Awakens" is a near travesty.

 

just leave it behind. Red Letter Media has pointed out all the problems with the prequels. But another big problem is that these are prequels, which means we all know what is going to happen. If you walked into a theater and watched a movie, where you know what will happen in the movie, it will never be that exciting. Especially characters, if you know where a character is going. So leave them behind.

 

And yet . . . the prequel movies ended up surprising a lot of people in the end. Which would explain the consistent negative reactions by some fans over the past decade-and-a-half.

 

I've come to the conclusion that people who like the prequels are that same type you see auditioning in the early rounds of shows like the X Factor - the tone deaf ones, who sound like scalded cats but who think they're the next big thing and won't be told otherwise - I don't think they're stupid but they just seem to see and hear something different to the rest of us. It's our duty, for the sake of good standards, to challenge their notions.

 

Disney should not touch the prequels. While they were able to produce at least one good film taking place after the events of 'A New Hope,' they ruined some of the Star Wars trilogy by filming the 'Force Awakens.' So, I just hope they leave the classics alone for every fan's sanity.

 

There is a HUGE difference between remaking a trilogy that has HUGE flaws in it, and someone changing/adding to a trilogy that fans love. Remaking that PT so that it made sense, fit with the OT, had better acting etc.... is nowhere NEAR the samething as making Greedo shoot first.

Many (not all) remake are considered inferior to the original because generally popular and good movies are the ones that get remade. You can't get a whole lot lower then the PT.

--- Double Post Merged, May 19, 2017, Original Post Date: May 19, 2017 ---

We're talking about the PT, not the classics.

 

No. I fear that if Disney redo the Prequel movies, the company will turn them into those crowd-pleasing films with a morality tale for eight year-olds.