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SPECULATION Do you think Snoke will be more powerful than Palpatine?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lord Skywalker, Nov 6, 2017.

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Do you think he is more powerful than Palpatine?

  1. Yes

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  2. No, but is more evil than Palpatine

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  3. No

    21 vote(s)
    34.4%
  1. Lord Skywalker

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    With TLJ just around the corner, let's discuss Snoke for a moment. We know Snoke isn't a Sith, but that he is extremely powerful in the Dark Side of the Force. How do you guys think he is compared to Palpatine's strength?

    A lot of the recent info suggests he is both very powerful and wealthy, and the Aftermath trilogies suggest Palpatine could sense Snoke's darkness and energy.
     
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    I feel like Snoke is in a weakened state when we meet him in TFA and again TLJ. He may be gaining his strength, but it is theorized that he has a machine in his throne room that may potentially suck the Force energy out of people so that he can use it. Either that or it is some form of torture device. This is why we have seen him only in his throne up to this point in TFA and in promo material. We know he stood once when he shouted "GENERAL!!!" to Hux so he isn't completely throne-bound.

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    You can see the device with two thin, potentially blue-faced or glowing eyes characters in complete black on either side of the device. We have not been introduced to these beings yet, but considering how Snoke is tied to the Unknown regions, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that he has his own minions of another species or my personal theory is that if they are actually blue-faced characters, they are actually part of the Chiss Ascendancy.
     
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    Probably. Not more evil though. That is what was so great about Palpatine. The golden one dimensional villain. No back story, no depth. Just..evil.
     
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    Idk we know nothing about him. We need a snoke book ASAP.
     
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    I'm a believer of the whole regeneration thing so in short... possibly.

    I think at full strength the answer is yes, he's more powerful than Palpatine. Otherwise? Who knows.
     
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    Im still on the fence as far as more powerful. Maybe more evil. We now he is powerful in the darkside but other than that not much to really compare to Palpatine
     
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    Palpy ruled a galaxy.
    Snoke rules a few sectors of space.

    Verdict: Palpy wins.
     
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    Definitely not more evil.

    Palpatine is the embodiment of evil in Star Wars. Just twisted evil, no personal motive or depth, just saddistic and evil.

    You don't get more evil than Palpatine. It's hilarious how evil and absurd of a character he is, and yet, it works.
     
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    Snoke appears to be weaker and I'm not sure about being more evil. It feels like he needs Kylo Ren, he fears Luke and he will probably will look after Rey for whatever reasons : it doesn't fit with the picture of some superconfident evil overlord. And I speculate that Kylo Ren will realize that (and kill Snoke to take his position ?).
     
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    he managed to survive his apprentice.......

    :)
     
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    i suspect that Snoke will be a force wielding power house.. exceeding anything we've seen in known canon and anything from the old EU.

    more evil than Palpatine? hell no.
    Snoke has fears... big huge fears about the Jedi returning. This will be his kryptonite in the end i believe.

    Palpatine literally danced among the Jedi.. and then brought them all down when he clicked his fingers. he is the king of cool and evil all at the same time.. no bad guy is topping that in a hurry.
     
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    you would think the fear would make him more cautious and less vulnerable to the hubris that brought Palpatine down.
    but he's already underestimating Rey and possibly overconfident of his control of Ren Ben.

    he's so busy fearing Luke, he doesn't see the threat right under his nose, perhaps!

    as to the evil, we still have no idea, really, what Snoke's after. does he want to rule or just destroy? and which is worse?
     
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    fear is the odd emotion out when it comes to the force.. we're told it's the path to the dark side, but fear clearly gimps one when one is on the side of the dark.

    Snoke clearly doesn't give a rat's poo hole about the republic or the resistance. He almost appears nonchalant about blowing up half the sector when Hux suggests it... he's like.. "yeah whatever.. go for it Huxy boy"

    Stop them getting the map... destroy the map.. destroy anything the map might be on.

    Whatever his end game is.. it is pretty darn clear that the only threat is Jedi knights.

    I just cannot see him ever being Sheevil... evil yes, but Sheevil.. nope.
     
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    "Sheevil" XD

    yeah, he absolutely doesn't care about the New Republic or anything within a few million miles around it. but i guess that's the difference, right? he thinks nothing of just snuffing out billions of lives. even Palps used the Death Star as a threat more than just riding it around indiscriminately blowing stuff up. Snoke doesn't even necessarily want to pursue Luke, so what's he after then?

    staging a coup against the New Republic and taking over the galaxy is Hux's endgame. but what's Snoke's?
     
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    somebody get it trending.. © Maximus plc
    Snoke seems to see the ants as insignificant.. whereas Palps wanted them under his boot.

    i agree that until we discover his plans.. we cannot truly gauge his evilness
     
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    Indeed. This is the $1m question. And again, I fall back to the Plagueis novel:

    “Forceful beings will continue to be born.”
    “In the absence of training and brainwashing, they will pose no harm to us. You will see to that, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine.”
    Sidious looked at the floor and shook his head. “You should be the one, Master.”
    “No,” Plagueis said firmly. “It must be you. You have the political skills, and more to the point, you are a human. In this era only a human is capable of rising to the top of Coruscant’s biased political heap.”
    “Human or not, my knowledge of the dark side will never equal yours. The title, the crown, should be yours.”
    “And it will be, once you openly appoint me co-chancellor. Feared and respected by the galaxy’s most powerful beings, Hego Damask will be seen as a windfall for the Republic. But even then I will advise only in secret from behind your throne.”
    Sidious bowed his head in deference. “In the annals of Sith history, you will be known as Plagueis the Wise.
    Plagueis quirked a cunning smile. “You flatter me.”
    “Whatever you ask of me, Master, I will do it.”


    “But Ashla is a perversion,” he went on, “for the dark has always preceded the light. The original idea was to capture the power of the Force and make it subservient to the will of sentient life. The ancients—the Celestials, the Rakata—didn’t pronounce judgment on their works. They moved planets, organized star systems, conjured dark side devices like the Star Forge as they saw fit. If millions died in the process, so be it. The lives of most beings are of small consequence. The Jedi have failed to understand this. They are so busy saving lives and striving to keep the powers of the Force in balance that they have lost sight of the fact that sentient life is meant to evolve, not simply languish in contented stasis.”

    “Magister Damask, if I may be so bold as to inquire: what is our eventual goal?” “The goal is to extend my life indefinitely. To conquer death.”

    "The greater goal of the Sith involved toppling the Force itself ... the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite."


    And another interesting extract that mirrors what Rax once said about the Empire:

    “Evil? What is that? ...You said you were death itself. Are you evil, then, or are you simply stronger and more awake than others? Who gives more shape to sentient history: the good, who adhere to the tried and true, or those who seek to rouse beings from their stupor and lead them to glory? A storm you are, but a much needed one, to wash away the old and complacent and prune the galaxy of deadweight."


    Snoke, may not be Plagueis, but I think we can still look to these extracts and derive some potential motivation from them...
     
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    Since we are something like 30-40 years after the death of Palpatine, we can easily deduct that Snoke was around when Palpatine ruled the galaxy, unless he is younger and looks aged because of some kind of deformation, injuries etc.

    If he is more powerful than Palpatine, then questions raise about what he did during the Empire and why noone never mentions him at all...

    If he is someone we already know (including Plagueis), then his level of power is to be revealed.

    Personally, I don't like the "Sauron-Voldemort" theory that he was someone powerful who regains his physical form and powers through other force users...

    And I wouldn't like him as someone that appeared out of nowhere with mysterious devices that make him strong, thus practically a force imposter or charlatan...

    Anyway, it is not an easy task to establish someone's backstory in the already existing universe without creating plot holes, questions and dissapoint or enrage part of the fans...
     
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    I don't think he necessarily needs to be more powerful (in terms of the force or even physically) nor do I think his level of inherent malevolence matters (he definitely won't top palpatine in those stakes) I do think however that he has to pose more of a threat than palpatine did. We as an audience want to see things bigger and better than what came before, hence why SKB dwarfed the death star. I think snoke is much of the same.

    He needs to pose a more pronounced threat than palpatine did or at least equal it.

    Which isn't too far beyond the realms of imagination, as homicidal as he was, good ol palpy wanted to oppress and rule. If snoke however just wants to destroy then that makes him a far bigger threat. We already know from his actions in TFA he has no issue with mass destruction in order to get what he wants. Me thinks snokey pants is going to be more of a destroyer than a ruler; be that planets, civilisation or maybe even the force itself. (emperor)
     
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    Part of me wonders whether they will go down a more religious route with Snoke. It seems that with Ren, they're taking inspiration from the real world in terms of Jihadi's (in regards to their backwards ideologies, perceived "destinies" and their feelings of either isolation, resentment & powerlessness). And so I wonder if Snoke is going to be some kind of religious leader - drenched with all the corruptions that usually go with that (wealth & personal ambition).

    Thus it might be that, like the nihilists & their extremists views, Snoke could be seeking to bring a "galactic caliphate" where everyone serves the Dark Side. It might be that this religious nonsense has rubbed off on poor Ben Solo and this gives further reasoning for his plight.
     
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