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Does Ahsoka Tano exist as Anakin's apprentice in canon?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by FallenAngel, Sep 7, 2016.

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  1. FallenAngel

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    As the clone war show Anakin as having an apprentice and the prequels do not, and Lucas have recently elevated the clone wars (for some bizarre reason) to the same status as the multimillion dollar movies.
    They clearly completely conflict.
    Anakin never had in the prequels an apprentice, as rebels is now continuing that story line, cannon only gets more blurred?

    Which one is right.

    Lucasfilm Ltd. identifies the six films of the original trilogy and prequel trilogy, and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series as the "immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."

    How is this possible if the clone wars and the rebels continued story line (Anakin and Asoka) have diverged so radically from the Prequels???

    I'm looking at this from the perspective that Asoka could technically make an appearance in episode 8?
    As anakins old apprentice if she made an appearance how would she relate to kylo-Ren who's grandfather he was and who he emulates massively.

    AMEDNED - her scenes were cut takes from ROTS
     
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    @DailyPlunge how can they both be cannon, when she never existed in the Prequels as his apprentice.
    Which is the cannon we subscribe to. Did Anakin have or not have a apprentice?

    How is this old news in relation to the new movies, is this just another personal attack @DailyPlunge ?
     
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    Canon consists of the cinematic films, the clone wars, rebels, and all books, comics, and games released after the acquisition of LF by Disney.
     
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    yeh thats my point.
    As they both diverge this is impossible to do.
    Asoka becomes the Schrödinger's cat of the Star Wars world. in the movie Anakin definitely takes no apprentice, so how can we treat the movie the same as the cartoon when in the cartoon he takes and apprentice?
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    @Lazlo also there seems to be cannon and immutable cannon that all others most align.

    Lucasfilm Ltd. identifies the six films of the original trilogy and prequel trilogy, and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series as the "immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."
     
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    The short answer is that TCW takes place between AOTC and ROTS.
    Anakin didn't yet have an apprentice in AOTC and Ahsoka left the Jedi order before the events of ROTS. It never seemed out of place to me.
     
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    Can an apprentice take an apprentice?
     
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    The following is stated in the CANON book "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know":

    Q: Why does Yoda give Anakin a Padawan?

    A: Yoda knows Anakin still carries many fears and cannot let go of his tragic past. He hopes that by teaching the Padawan Ahsoka Tano the young Jedi will learn that he does not need to be so protective of those who he loves.

    So the Jedi council decided to give Anakin an apprentice.
     
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    Although I find the stories in Clone Wars absurd (Maul's return etc) I accept them as canon.
    Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC. He could take on an apprentice and seemingly did.
    It's part of canon. Badly executed because of the need to come up with stories for the Clone Wars. But canon nevertheless.
     
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    Yeh great concept. I like the logic. Now it totally makes sense:)
    So thats the concept behind the clone wars and rebels.
    But that still isn't how the Prequels presented Anakin.
    Anakin trained by Obi-Wan from young. was only made jedi master in the ROTS, so would not have been able to take an apprentice of his own, you know, because he was one himself?
     
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    Lol the folks at eleven-thirtyeight thought of that term to use on Ahsoka too:

    http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2016/04/schrodingers-padawan-why-ahsoka-tano-deserves-an-ending/

    Agree. Anakin was a Jedi knight by the end of AOTC so at the time of TCW he's given an apprentice.

    So far, by the end of Rebels Season 2 (Rebels is canon too) we don't know what happened to Ahsoka. Short summary: she left the Jedi order (so by ROTS Anakin does not have a padawan anymore) thus she survived Order 66 and then went to work with the nascent Rebel Alliance using the alias "Fulcrum". Then in Rebels Season 2 finale she faces Vader and they fight in Malachor. It is an open-finale since it seems she was killed by Vader, but we don't know for sure.

    Could she be alive by Episode VIII? Possibly. At least after ROTJ, I could see Luke reaching for her assistance to pass on what he has learned. But not for sure.
     
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    One minor note, you don't have to be a master to have an apprentice, only a knight. The title Master was reserved for members of the council (except for Anakin..."How can they put me on the council and not make me a master? It's unprecedented!")

    The confusion lies in the fact that padawans called their teacher Master as an honorific, but this did not signify the official rank of JEDI MASTER.

    Edit to clean up the Anakin quote.
     
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    I have never seen any cut scenes with Asoka from ROTS. Can you post a link ???
     
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    who created this idea?

    all jedi serve as masters, that have completed there training as an apprentice, Master is not a honorary title, it is a role to there apprentice.
    Some masters serve as council representatives, this does not change there role as Jedi knight in the collective sense and as master to an apprentice.
    im afraid you misunderstand. I am not trying to patronise you when I say this, or offend you but that is simply not accurate.
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    Sure i'll try and find it, I'm not sure she's named, and as its deleted its kind of redundant, it probably isn't even her, there's just people that believe it was.
    I am undecided and as it was deleted it really adds nothing to the story.

    I believe they may be getting her confused with Shak-Ti.
     
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    Yeah, Grievous kills Shaak-Ti.
     
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    Yes it is Shak Ti.. It seems like there is two versions of her death..

    Anakin kills Shak Ti..


    Star Wars E3 Cut Scene - Shaak Ti's Death and Droid Escape.
     
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    The Jedi temple death of Shaak Ti by Anakin's hands is canon. It's shown in The Clone Wars:
     
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    He's not trolling you. You keep saying "cannon" which is the image @DailyPlunge posted. You mean "canon".

     
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    Well, this post might be of help:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Master
     
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