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Does anyone care about the characters that are left for Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by VOODOO, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. NinjaRen

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    Yeah, I agree. We have too many characters. So there should be pairings:
    1) Poe, Finn, Rose, BB-8 (maybe with Rey but I doubt it)
    2) Kylo (with Rey and Luke) and Hux
    3) Rey, Chewie, R2
    4) Leia, Lando, Maz, 3PO
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    I don't think we will see DJ again btw, even though I would like to see him again and redeem himself.
     
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    Maybe it's because he's the only interesting character left...
     
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    is kylo really an interesting character? I find him whiny, irritating and very adolescent. Not great for a grown ass man.
     
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    So, he's basically a flawed character. Which is exactly the point.
     
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    Ironically, this description fits perfectly the majority of TLJ haters, too ;)
     
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    Yeah, that's sorta the point of his character anyways.
     
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    The audience was not given the proper time to appreciate the new characters as individuals. After TLJ the only characters getting extended content is Kylo and Poe.

    Even with that I don't care about Kylo Ren.
     
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    Both TFA and TLJ had plenty of "Journey to..." content. So, Ep.IX stuff will be coming out around September 2019 with an announcemt some time prior.
     
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    Angelman, So basically if someone does not like TLJ he is whiny and adolescent. wow. So we must like what you like to be considered an adult.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 31, 2018, Original Post Date: Aug 31, 2018 ---
    The problem is a whiny and adolescent grown ass man does not make an interesting character necessarily. I do not mind a flawed character but at least act like somewhat your age. Look at Thanos as an example of a flawed character which does not have to resort to childish tantrum to be an interesting villain. Ren could still have been an interesting character without all the throwing his toys out of the pram nonsense. The guy is pretty one dimensional. I can't even remember him ever smiling once in the movies.
     
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    i'm pretty sure he was smiling when he was mocking Hux about his men committing high treason; he's just got his helmet on while he's doing it. XD
    besides which, what exactly does he have to smile about anyway? and is smiling a requirement of dimensionality? : o p

    to be honest this is just personal preference. you like your villains a certain way and that's fine.
    lots of other people have no problem with Kylo Ren Ben and find him the most interesting character in the ST (possibly in all of Star Wars).
     
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    Your extrapolation of what I said is false, and you are puting words in my mouth, and I assume you know as much. People who hate TLJ are only whining and adolescent if they are… you know, whining and adolescent.

    I said nothing about all TLJ haters being whining and adolescent, and I definitely didn't say you have to like what I like to be an adult*, and I assume you know that I didn’t. (Unless you actually misread my post, which happens to everyone; no problem if you did).
    *For all my 41 1/2 years, I'm not very adult-ish at all, although I do strive not to be whiny.

    But your complaint is probably directed towards my generalization, (even though it was made in jest as the winky emoticon was intended to indicate), and I should probably qualify my statement by saying that the “description fits perfectly the majority of TLJ haters who post complaints on the forums or make bashing videos on YouTube, as far as I’ve seen.” In other words, my assessment is, at best, anecdotal, but it was made in jest so... who cares? If I offended you or hurt your feelings in any way, that was not my intention.
     
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    FN-3263827 exactly it is personal preference but let's not act like he is a well-written character. A well-written character should be able to show more dimensionality than Kylo shows over the length of two long films. The guy seems to be perpetually angry, whiny or sad. The writer seems to have decided that the only way a character can be interesting is if he always showing negative emotion. A light moment from Kylo would have greatly enhanced his character development. Like Luke still having a sense of humor despite losing faith. We saw that when he used the grass to touch Mary sue with. It adds to the character. Like Anakin in the prequel. The perpetually perturbed villain is actually quite a cliche.
     
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    let's not act like he isn't either. your perception of his dimensionality is also just an opinion.

    the moment i just described between him and Hux is a light moment. so is when he asks "anything else" from Mitaka. so is when he slides across the floor chasing Rey. so is when he almost smiles at her when she arrives, but then tamps it down. yes, he suffers a lot and he inflicts that on himself, but there are complex reasons for it that are interesting to peel back if you look deeply at him.

    he has plenty of dimensionality. he believes in the cause. he hates Hux, he hates Snoke but feels obliged and grateful to him. he killed his father and is trying to convince himself that he wanted to. he pretends to want to recruit Rey, but really he just wants a friend. he knows he's expect to kill his mother, but he can't do it. etc. etc. etc. he's not broad-brushed and sometimes he's very subtle, but that's part of what makes him actually very human.
     
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    Angelmann You did not offend or hurt my feeling in any way. But your comment is reflective of a lot of people who like TLJ and seems unable to take any sort of criticism of the film without resorting to name calling. You know, accusations as toxic masculinity if you did not like one of the female characters etc. It does tend to get wearisome. I personally do not feel the same betrayal that certain fans does toward TLJ, I just feel it not a great film even if it was not a Star Wars film and has lost interest in the ST almost completely. I still loved Solo and Rogue one and like TFA and look forward to the other projects within the universe but TLJ and its characters are just a slog for me. I fail to see how a one-note character like Kylo is seen as being one of the greatest characters in SW history.
     
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    ...and he's a young man perceiving (rightly one might say) the world and everyone he ever loved to be against him/having failed him, and STILL he struggles with... wait for it... the Light Side within. The depth of this character is well interesting and nothing like anything we've ever seen before.
     
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    his stupidity and hopefulness in the throne room when he begs Rey to join him is heartbreaking.
    he finally tries to allow himself to be vulnerable and it just crushes him all over again. : o p
     
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    Well, one could say the same, in reverse, about your comment reflecting a lot of people who hate TLJ and... but, nah, I'll try to stay away from personal attacks and such. I might make continue to jest if I see an opportunity to lighten the mood. It that's all right.

    Hm... I was going to give you a "Disagree" mark, 'cause that's the most fitting, but "Disagree" is red, so... A "Friendly" it is :)
     
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    again, it's just an opinion though that dimensionality must be based on some range of displayed emotions.
    i can't prove he smiled. you can't prove he didn't.

    you think he's broad brushed. i don't.
    you think he's manipulative. i don't.

    you think he's selfish and has shown no Light side characteristics. i disgree.

    sounds like he might be pretty complex if we have such diametrically opposed opinions of him.
     
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    The Empire Strikes Back left people wondering about Han Solo from Leia's POV especially after he was frozen and taken away, and for how Luke was going to overcome both his villain father after losing to him as well as the formally introduced Emperor character.

    The Last Jedi leaves nothing on that level to care about. It's a bad middle chapter.
     
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    "FN-3263827, Angelman No point in continuing this discussion as apparently some of my posts has insult certain members and thus been deleted. Someone reading our argument will have no idea what you guys are responding to since my comment is no longer there. No idea what I could have said that is insulting but I'm trying to seek clarification. I will continue the debate if I get such clarification.
     
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