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Does anyone care about the characters that are left for Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by VOODOO, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. NinjaRen

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    That's because TLJ ends on the wrong tone. Pretty bad stuff happened and our heroes get depicted happy and hopeful. Now look at the ending of TESB. Luke and Leia know they lost, but their hope is still there. That gets depicted by the music. It's melodramatic, but also hopeful.

    The only thing I really care about for IX is Kylo Ren and the potential of Hux betraying Ren. Everything else is pretty much set in stone. EPIX doesn't have many possibilities to go to.

    Nonetheless I still think JJ will give us a solid and fun movie, which I'll eventually like.
     
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    not sure i understand you here. the two movies end almost exactly the same.
    yes in TLJ, they are celebrating that they got away (should they not?), but Rey sits and clearly reflects on her own personal failure and that the Resistance is on the run when she asks what they will do now. then Leia reassures her that there is hope (just as Luke and Leia reassure each other at the window, watching Lando leave in ESB).
     
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    It leaves things open ended so the creators for EPISODE IX wouldn't be boxed in.

    This is the exact opposite of TFA, which unlike ANH, had the series biggest cliffhanger in first film of the trilogy
     
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    The ending of TLJ feels much more like this:
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    The ending of TESB kinda looks sad. Neither Luke nor Leia crack a smile. They're just looking into the distance and the unsure but hopeful future.
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    This ending is much more meaningful.


    Now look at the shot of TLJ. Poe and Connix are laughing, Chewie hugs 3PO, Leia and Rey are very hopeful. It feels like a victory for the Resistance.
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    FN-3263827 Apparently it seems that the Mod thought something I said about Kylo Ren was addressed at you.
     
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    you know, i get what you're saying, but it's perceptual.
    my point is both scenes end in straits with the characters looking hopeful.
    yes, there's more celebrating in TLJ because they just escaped with their lives, whereas you could argue there's more of a time gap between the trauma and them going to the window in ESB. TLJ had to end with an emphasis on a more cheerful hope because otherwise what did Luke just do? if we see the Resistance weeping and worrying, it undercuts Luke's sacrifice. the whole point of him doing the standoff was to bolster their hope and help them believe they could win.

    i know that it wasn't. i think the actual issue was the back and forth between you and Angelman, for which Angelman apologized.
    the remainder of your original post is still in my response. we're all good here. : D
     
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    "FN-3263827

    i know that it wasn't. i think the actual issue was the back and forth between you and Angelman, for which Angelman apologized.
    the remainder of your original post is still in my response. we're all good here.
    the mod actually highlights the sentence which got my post deleted. It was clear he thought what I said about Kylo Ren was addressed at you and even warn me about it. Since you are a Mod here maybe you can explain the situation to the Mod as it seemed he/she has misunderstood my comment. I do not want to build a reputation here as being a guy who insults others as this is completely not who I am.
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    i have explained the situation to the Mod and is waiting on an answer
     
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    i can't find anything he edited that could be misconstrued as talking against me, but i will ask him about it as well.
     
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    The anything else comment was clearly out of anger and exasperation
    This is what the Mod said got my post deleted
     
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    It just feels wrong to me. At one point of the movie the Resistance had 400 members and now they only have 15 (or somthing like that). Yeah, they can be happy that the spark of hope survived, but they are almost killed it by themselves.

    I really whish TLJ would have ended differently.
    => Rey joining Kylo and the Resistance escaping without any hope. This would have made the hype for IX interesting.
    - Will Rey and Kylo rule the galaxy? Or did Rey only join Kylo to redeem him?
    - What will the Resistance do without any Jedi? (Poe and Finn would have a much bigger role then)
     
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    TLJ didn't leave me hyped up nor with any interest wondering what's to become of the new characters. TFA, no matter what you think of it,
    left a boatload of questions for speculation. It left me liking the newbies and wanting to get to know more about them. TLJ didn't do justice to any of these characters. Development of these characters was sorely lacking along with the direction taken with OT characters, left me not caring. I'm curious about what will happen, but regrettably my general feeling at the moment is "meh". I won't be going opening weekend, but will read and hear about audience opinions about the film before I decide when or if I see it.
     
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    Yes, yes I am. I may not like some of the things that Lucasfilm did with some of these characters in TFA and TLJ, but I'm still interested to see the roles that some of these characters will play in this next installment, especially Kylo and Poe.
     
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    I have thoroughly enjoyed Rey's story and care alot about seeing what happens next with her character. I would also like to see more of her with Finn, since they didn't get a lot of screentime together in TLJ, and I think Daisy Ridley and John Boyega worked really well together in TFA. Poe had a great arc in TLJ (in my opinion), and I think he is a solid new character, moreso than he was after TFA. I don't understand all the hate for Kelly Marie Tran, but I look forward to seeing her again too. Can't wait to see Lando and (force ghost) Luke again of course.
     
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    My friend, I was worried, not much excited, and ever less when heard the holy trinity will return - to me the perfect end of their adventure is Endor, I didn´t need to see them old. So no, I wasn´t excited then....as I´m not now :)
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    and it looked funny. In about one day the entire Resistance was wiped out, with only 10-15 people (and robots) left. Why laughing at all??? In just few hours the Resistance was no more...no ships, no people, just the Falcon....at the end of Empire the Rebels were still there.
     
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    People often laugh and take stock in what they still have and are more than willing to be happy when they "should" be sad.
    The Resistance is happy they made it out at all. Kylo was fooled by Luke. They lived to fight another day when for all intents and purposes, should have been wiped out. The spark lives.
     
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    might as well ask why the women are laughing in the showers in Schindler's List.
     
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    Because Spielberg knows what the tone of a movie really is.
    In fact that scenes adds to the... drama.
    No matter what.
     
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    it was a rhetorical question.

    the tone of TLJ at the end is hope.
    the characters reflect that in the Falcon by being happy to see one another and smiling.
     
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    I’ve got it. But that’s the point.

    We are comparing apples with oranges.

    Drama vs hope.

    The question is in fact if hope is somehow “out of place” given the context.

    My personal opinion is... that’s not the problem.

    Or to say it better, not only I agree that the finale is about hope.
    I’m sure it was. The entire movie finale - Luke’s death included - is about hope.
    I also like the idea... in theory.

    Because a movie has not only to show you a feeling, hope iin this case, but to make you
    feel that way... hopeful in our case.

    Fact is I left the theater depressed...
    And others were so depressed they didn’t even get the message.
    So much so they feel that hope was out of place.

    But I don’t think that the problem is those people’s stupidity.

    I think that if somethig went wrong for so many (not everyone but too many
    for being a coincidence), then something went wrong in the building up of that finale.
    Meaning with the execution.

    And, that’s pretty much what happened to me with most of this movie.
    I get and like - in theory - not all but many of the purposes of the movie... in theory.

    Not at all how they’ve been played out...
     
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