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Does anyone care about the characters that are left for Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by VOODOO, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. Kylocity

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    There is a contradiction here. You say that Rey is a passive bystander like the audience but at the same time that she is all powerful to survive... But isn't she demonstrating these great powers in various action scenes, like the throne room fight alongside Kylo in TLJ? Rey is certainly not a bystander. She is central to the action both in TFA and TLJ. Another thing is that the audience roots for her and feels identified with her, but that's exactly the function of a hero or heroine: to represent the audience and make them experience their evolution through their actions. In TLJ the audience is experiencing Rey's growing into her identity and her power.

    Rey and Kylo are the characters I mainly care about. Having a dark side of the force character like Kylo tempted by the light was an interesting premise set by JJ that echoes the evolution of Anakin Skywalker in the reverse. The hope of Kylo turning good is the driving force in this sequel, and Rey is instrumental in this (and not in the romantic sense necessarily, but in a teaching-a-lesson, setting-a-good-example sort of way). Now that Snoke is gone, the possibility of Kylo turning good is even higher. The last scene between Kylo and Rey echoed the first disastrous proposal scene of Mr Darcy to Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice. A good way to end the Kylo and Rey story in Episode 9 is to echo the last proposal of Mr Rochester to Jane Eyre after Jane has become a wholy independent person and Rochester has paid physically and psychologically for his past errors.
     
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    Then why are you here? You make an account on a Star Wars fan forum and go out of your way to post about films you care nothing about? Makes total sense.
     
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    Care about Rey Kylo and Force Ghost Luke Skywalker ;);)..
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 15, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 15, 2018 ---
    Luke's IX Force ghost will appear extra transparent, which we will later discover, is due to this being a projection of his ghost rather then the actual ghost itself. ;)
     
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    I care about Finn, he's probably my favorite of the new characters. I don't know how much I care, but I am interested to see how the trilogy ends Poe and Rey's stories and am hoping that they flesh all these characters out a little more.
     
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    I definitely want to see more of the Rey/Kylo dynamic. That’s been the most interesting part of the trilogy so far. Love Finn, Poe, and BB-8, the rest I could probably do without.
     
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    No.
    I don't give a vrelt about them.
     
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    Hiding messages because they were disliked by most? Seriously? Freedom of speech, anyone?

    To the OP:
    Your premise(s) is (are) wrong.
    Most people I know only liked star wars before ST. Now they both love and live it.
    The creative team does not make this up as they go along. The financial input in the ST and logistics involved oppose such statment.
    A lot of people care about the movies. Even the ones that didn't like TLJ that much.
    I am paying to see them.
    I disagree with your evaluation of the charachters. Specially Rey. She was much more fleshed out in tlj than in tfa and totally unlike Luke. You can't draw parallels where there are none.
    The ST is passing the torch to new generation. Heroes become masters and exit the scene. It is the fate of all protagonist that with time they fade.

    You are not Disney.
    1/debatable
    2/incorrect. This forum alone defeats your point.
    3/untrue/wrong premise.

    Lighten up. All is not lost yet.
     
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    Yeah that's not how Freedom of Speech works.
     
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    Something is weird here if replying to original post is off topic. :D
     
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    I care about Chewie. He is my new favorite character since Han was murdered. They better not kill him, or there will be rioting in the streets.
     
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    Wouldn't know. Didn't give you that rating
     
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    It's an upside down thread.
     
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    Thanks for defending me about my original post. I didn’t think there was anything really upsetting about it. I guess some people can’t take an opposing viewpoint and if one comes to this forum he or she is expected to be little more than a cheerleader for the new films...I mean honestly are people so easily offended? There was no bad language nor was there an attack on any board members etc, it was just an opinion by someone who saw the original films as a child in the theatre and cares as much about SW as anyone here. I just hate the direction TLJ went in and especially the way Luke Skywalker was treated and I am not alone.

    I will happily agree to disagree with you on those three points you mentioned.

    1/ I do think there there was some box office erosion with TLJ. While it’s final numbers were great for any other film, they were just ok for the follow up to the biggest domestic box office hit (inflation not included) ever. If you break the numbers down after TLJ’s first huge weekend it’s holds were not very strong. By the third week of it’s domestic theatrical run TLJ was passed at the box office by Jumanji...My theory is that word got out about the film (I take those Rotten Tomatoes numbers seriously) and it hurt the box office. Combine that with the fact that there were a lot less repeat views and TLJ made $700 million less than TFA. That’s a massive decline. It will be interesting to see how EP 9 performs. I’m convinced that the numbers will continue to fall without the original cast.

    2/ While the buzz has picked up for Solo after the trailer (which I personally thought was great) it still has an uphill battle for several reasons.

    a) I think that TLJ left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths + Solo debuting so soon after TLJ will have to deal with a lot of that backlash
    b) Solo will have a ton of competition from films like the new Avengers: Infinity War and Deadpool 2 that are arguably more anticipated.
    c) Does anybody really want to see a Han Solo origin story? Maybe I’m being negative, but I think it’s far more likely Disney screws up the backstory of this iconic character than they get it right.
    d) The change in directors half way through the film does not bode well for it.
    e) Does anyone want to see someone besides Harrison Ford play Han Solo?
    f) Even Disney thinks Solo is going to fail https://movieweb.com/han-solo-movie-disney-expects-box-office-bomb/
    g) Your theory that a lot of people post here so there must be a lot of interest in Solo is just wrong...This site and others like it are for the hardcore fans, but the general audiences reaction thus far to Solo has been pretty indifferent.

    3/ I stand by my statement 100% that the biggest attraction to the sequels was the inclusion of the original characters. Just check out a couple of these videos when Han + Chewie came on screen in the TFA trailers. Grown men were literally crying. Did they have the same reaction to Rey, Finn or Poe? No they didn’t and no they won’t going forward...You can’t just replace icons like that. They mean something to people as the box office and fan reaction proved...Without question the main attraction to these films is/was the inclusion of Han, Luke + Leia. With the three of them not involved in EP 9 I’m telling you the box office is going to suffer.




    A couple of more things. You mentioned that "The creative team does not make this up as they go along” actually they have been making to up as the go along. There is no long term plan. Rian Johnson is on record as saying as much. Here is a quote form Johnson “the first thing that made me think this could be a great experience was that it wouldn't be written by committee. It's also not like there's a white board with the whole story arc laid out. Much to my surprise, it was, "Here's a script for Episode VII, and you can watch some dailies, because they were shooting Episode VII at the time, and let's talk about where this is going next.”
    rian-johnson-explains-how-he-crafted-the-last-jedis-character-arcs

    Anyway, thanks again for defending my original post. I may not agree with all your points, but I do respect your opinion and unlike some others, I’m not offended by a dissenting opinion.
    Best regards!
     
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    Before watching TLJ in December, I had a marathon of all SW films from TPM to TFA. I definitely found the ST trio much more interesting and likeable than the OT trio. Now this could just be because they have not been known for as long as the OT trio, who have been ingrained into popular culture for decades.

    When Finn was about to sacrifice himself on Crait, I felt a lot more emotional than when Han died in TFA, I cared a lot more for Finn than i did for Han.
     
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    I defend freedom of speech. When it is about explaining your point of view and not offensive towards a poster. Constructive discussion is always good and heated debates are very interesting, but not if call people names :)
    Yes people get easily offended these days. Blame it on political correctness that killed our ability to discuss hard topics in a civilized manner. Truth to be told I am sure you have been easily offended in the past too by something and perhaps responded inappropriately, I know I have. :D we are humans.
    Now, worry not about that let us discuss away. I have seen you made some excellent points!

    I would say that if a movie makes more money than it cost to make it, it can not be considered a failure :)
    From what I have seen online past few months, there seemes to be a very negative campaign towards tlj that goes well beyond someone just putting their own personal opinion of the movie. At times it looked more like it was oriented to influence public opinions and induce the negative outcomes and decrease the movie's output. It is not unimaginable to me that it was done by their competition. Or just some butthurt fan who decided it is okay to be a troll.
    But who knows....it could be only that most of the people just decided that it is absolutely silly to go watch that movie 6 more times in the cinema after they have done that with tfa.
    Again, who knows! But the movie has not failed. It makes a bunch of money.

    From people I am in the contact there are some who are and have always been excited about it (guys) and there are those who have never bern excited about it but who will go see it nonetheless (girls).

    a) we will see. I don't know. I would personally argue that the last anthology movie left a bad taste in our mouths.

    b) LOL. That is true. But it is more likely that people who will go see Avengers or deadpool will not chose them instead of SW. Just perhaps they won't go see solo more than once.

    c) that is one of my main concerns about the movie too. The young Han Solo doesnt look anything like HF. He is much shorter and has less hair. Let us hope for the best.

    d) i know. But look at it this way. The new director guy is much better than the old director guy.
    I forgot both their names. I am that much invested in the movie. I will still go see it.

    e) i don't. But i am willing to give it a chance. I have given chances to worse things.

    f) LOL

    e) my reply was to you saying that "no one" is interested in it. (If I am not mistaken, correct me If I am)

    I don't know what to tell you. I have known and watched Star Wars for years. It has been with me since my childhood. But I relate most to Rey and Ben Solo. From all of the charachters. More than I ever did to Luke, Leia and even Han.
    It is subjective, I believe.

    That is disturbing. I would like to think that they at least had a vision and general story arcs for the main protagonists.

    No need for "thank yous". It is what anyone who believes in freedom of speech would do.
    A side note. I am a member of a SW facebook group that has much larger fanbase/members than this site and the main admin recently disbanded all of his moderators. He said he did it because he realized that no matter how objective one is there is something about social networks that creates unfair bias in people. And if it is done in people who are supposed to be peacekeepers then it threathens freedom of speech. I prefer that group as it is now: once you get pass all the porn it is quite the lovely place :D
     
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    Sadly I don't care for the characters left for IX. I wish I could, but I can't. Leia has to be gone between the movies, so no OT 3 will be there. I don't care for a 30 seconds Luke force ghost cameo. I cared for Rey after TFA, but sadly TLJ and Rian's approach has ruined Rey's character for me. Also Finn, Rose and Poe were butchered for the story. I never like Kylo, so there is really not much left...:(
     
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    Kathleen Kennedy has said that their goal was to create new characters that are as iconic as the old ones. And I guess, for a new generation of fans, they are.
     
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