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Does anyone else feel that the new films ruined the ending of ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by VOODOO, Jan 8, 2018.

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    I agree that Disney's main motive for producing the new movies is money, not story, but I have to disagree on the main issue here. Yeah, the Rebels blew up the second Death Star and many of its key people with it, but at the time of ROTJ the Empire had control of most of the galaxy and it was obvious that the hundreds of thousands of Empire-loyal systems and officials would not just give up and that the Galactic Civil War would go on. So no, the ending of ROTJ was not ruined because ROTJ didn't imply that everything's fine now in the first place
     
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    No, but replacing Yub Nub with that bloody awful pan pipe music in 1997 did...
     
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    But--but--but

    weesa free :oops:
     
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    And Jedi Rocks. Nothing better than an MTV pop music CGI loaded video slapped in the middle of a gritty SW movie!
     
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    Hah - but that didn't ruin the ending of ROTJ... (unless it was still on your mind when you got to the end).

    It's been a long while since I've watched the Special Editions (or any of the derivatives thereof) so I may be totally mis-remembering this... but doesn't that other CGI singer (Joh Yowza?) make like a Scooby-Doo "cartoon running noise" when he scuttles towards the camera for his close up shot...?
    Truly a low point. :(
    Or have I just totally invented that?
     
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    Sorry to say, your memory works just fine:

    Zoinks Scoob
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Even Jar Jar is shaking his head watching Jedi Rocks, "Even Meesa wasn't THAT annoying!"

    LOL! The cringe factor stays with me for the rest of the movie!
     
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    Good grief, It's actually worse than I remembered!
     
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    This is, by a decent margin, my least favorite change in the special editions. At least Greedo shooting first still feels like Star Wars. To me, Jedi Rocks is like a Star Wars parody stuck in the middle of Star Wars. This is Christmas Special level stuff.
     
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    Absolutely. That's probably my biggest issue with this trilogy, which is that it feels like a fanboy's (JJ Abrams) apology for the prequels. I was excited as to where the story would go after the defeat of the Empire and how Luke, Han and Leia have evolved, but nah, that's too risky, let's give them what they loved about the originals even if it undermines the aconplishemnts made in the OT while destroying the arcs of the heroes. They could have created an interesting storyline with this movies but decided to go back to the Empire-Rebellion conflict once again, which I'm sick of at this point. Same thing with the Jedi Order...
    Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
    Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
    Episode IX: Return of the Jedi... Again

    What a letdown.
     
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    Totally agree.

    The OT is (almost) always played completely straight.
    That's why it works for me - it deals with a universe where there is magic and all these amazing creatures and battles in outer space... but none of these things are amazing to the characters within that universe, and the way everything is filmed and presented reinforces that.
    It's a very documentary style - even the space battles were modelled after WWII dogfights. There is humour, but it is all situational - there are very few actual gags which are just for the benefit of the audience.

    And so it is with the music too - if you try to do something futuristic sounding or contemporary for a sci-fi movvie, it usually becomes dated immediately.
    So the big orchestral themes work, because they hark back to the serials which helped inspire the saga. And the Cantina band playing jazz in outer space works every time because it is that weird juxtaposition - the instruments change, but the music remains the same, it's kind of looking forwards and looking backwards at the same time.

    And Lapti Nek worked for the same reason too - Unusual mix of acoustic instruments and synth sounds playing weird funk with alien vocals (the version in the film that is - the single they released was way too slick and contemporary and, as a result, now sounds very dated).

    Jedi Rocks sounds like a horrible, sterile mish-mash of rock and soul right out of the mid-90s. Apart from the Huttese lyrics, there is nothing alien about the instrumentation, there is no attempt to blend unusual combinations of instruments, it just sounds like a straight rock band with a brass section.

    And, sadly, there was that horrible thing that used to happen when CGI first emerged - I think people believed more detail would make CGI more believable and so we get "if we just zoom right into his mouth so we can see his tonsils, and we can even animate a bit of saliva there - that will totally sell this" and "let;s have her mouth come right up close to the camera so we can see every little detail when she is singing".
    And it is a load of horsesh**t. It makes CGI less believable, because it is something you would never choose to do in any other circumstance - especially in Star Wars, which has an established, pretty sober documentary style.

    Jedi Rocks is completely incongruous on pretty much every level.

    *rant over*

    The addition of Vader's "No" in ROTJ is up there though...
     
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    Personally I like the "Victory Celebration" theme more than Yub Nub. On the one hand it feels like a happy victory theme, but on the other hand it's also kinda sad.
    My prefered ending => victory celebration and Sebastian Shaw as Anakin.
     
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    I never liked Yub Nub as sung by a choir of elderly-sounding English people. I don’t know why they didn’t use the recording that actually sounded like the Ewoks were singing it:
     
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