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Does anyone else feel that the new films ruined the ending of ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by VOODOO, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Use the Falchion

    Use the Falchion Jedi Contrarian

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    But again, it's the training and philosophy aspect that I'm detailing out. Pre-TROS, Snoke was a Dark Sider user who had tremendous power and wanted the same things as Palpatine, but he wasn't a Sith. In Rebels (and later in TCW), Maul was a Dark Side user who wanted to take power from Palpatine and rule his own empire, but he wasn't a Sith. Kylo Ren wanted to rule his own empire after TLJ, but he wasn't a Sith.

    Use of the Dark Side doesn't automatically make one a Sith. Having the same goals as the Sith doesn't automatically make one a Sith. THAT'S the point I'm trying to make. There are multiple religions that come from the Abrahamic tradition that aren't Judaism or Christianity, and we wouldn't classify them as the same. Multiple religions believe in salvation and/or the afterlife, but they're not all Christianity. Likewise, why do all Dark Siders have to be Sith? The temptation can be there, the allure can be there, the desire can be there, but we don't need to label them the same thing. THAT'S the big crux of the issue.

    The Knights of Ren were interesting because they seemed to be a Dark Side group that didn't follow the conventions of the Sith. Snoke was interesting because he seemed to learn the lesson of the Sith and Vader, and was determined NOT to repeat those mistakes with Kylo. Kylo was interesting because while he accomplished what his grandfather couldn't (overthrowing his own master in order to rule an empire), he wanted to destroy any legacy the Sith had as well as the Jedi.

    You want to play the "as long as there is evil in the hearts of man, the Dark Side will exist" card, that's fine! I don't have a problem with that. But let's look at other ways evil can take shape outside of the Sith. They've been beaten. They're done. They're not interesting anymore. Let's find some other cool or creative groups out there.
     
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  2. Lord of the Rens

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    The circle would be complete. When Palpatine "killed" Damask he was but the learner, assuming that he had become the Master....

    Everything about Snoke, everything that Sidious had on Exegol and did with the First Order.... and the Sith Eternal Cult/ Kyber Torture

    would have been so much richer for me, if it were Plagueis pulling the strings.
     
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    Well, if Palpatine really is “all the Sith” and Plagueis was a Sith, then technically he was pulling the strings . . . from a certain point of view :)
     
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  4. Lord of the Rens

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    If that is the case then Sidious doesn't exist, none of them do.... it's all Darth Bane the whole time.
     
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    eeprom Prince of Bebers

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    Hey, group effort. Everybody gets participation credit.
     
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    But maybe Darth Bane just killed another sith in anger, who suddenly found himself possessing Darth Bane, so he invented the rule of two. But all the credit went to Darth Bane. Probably the name of that unknown Sith was Sidious, who generations later was ready to make himself known and finally get all the credit he earned.
     
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