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Does anyone else feel that the new films ruined the ending of ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by VOODOO, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Jayson

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    No, CGI re-editing "ruined" the ending of ROTJ.

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    Nope
     
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    Not at all. There is a 30 year gap between, so it hasn't messed anything up since it hasn't fully been covered canonically except for Shattered Empire and some Forces of Destiny shorts really.
     
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    I think one thing all Star Wars fans have to learn is that the series becomes something different than the series you first grew up with. Star Wars The Movie, then it was the Star Wars Trilogy, then you have 3 different updated Special Editions of those films, then it becomes this 6-episode Anakin Skywalker Saga, and now it's whatever it now is. And I'm sure it'll all look a lot different in another twenty years. Eventually I think everyone just forms their own "canon" in a very loose sense in that they concentrate on the movies, characters, etc. they really like, accept a bunch of other stuff only half-heartedly, and ignore everything else.

    And personally, the ending of ROTJ only works in the context of the original trilogy. The original trilogy IMO doesn't really itself work as a successor to the story and tone of Episodes I, II and III. To that end, however, I would say if you can accept that all of a sudden we get one shot of Coruscant during a music montage after not having seen or mentioned it since Revenge of the Sith, then the plot points that TFA doesn't acknowledge--like what the hell the New Republic is even about--are no more problematic (by which I would say, they are problematic, but the overall Star Wars Saga has problematic and inconsistent plotting due to the haphazard nature of its writing).
     
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    I know its' been a few months but I couldn't resist. George Lucas is the guy who created the original idea, so he gets a lot of my love. However, he also created Jar Jar freakin Binks, had Anakin say "Yipee!" and destroyed Padme's character in III. Oh, and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls. He should be careful about critiquing the "lack of imagination." Those who live in glass houses ought not throw stones. Just sayin.
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    Excellent response. Totally on the money dude. The problems arise because it was never intended to be a multi series of films, no matter what propaganda George tried to peddle throughout the years.
     
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    Those are a few reasons why I'm a big fan of George Lucas.
     
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    I get what the original poster is saying. The second Harry Potter book pissed me off because Harry starts right back in the Dursley's custody, getting treated like crap again. That invalidated everything he accomplished in the first book.

    But the ST is different than Harry Potter. First, as many people have already pointed out, thirty years have passed. Only thirty days passed between the first two Harry Potter books. I can accept a lot more change in 30 years than in 30 days.

    Second, President Franklin D. Roosevelt died during World War II, but that didn't mean the United States gave up. Harry Truman became the new President and the war continued. I don't see the defeat of Palpatine as the end of all conflict in the galaxy far, far away. That doesn't mean it's not significant - it just means that without an heir apparent willing to surrender to the Rebellion, the Empire would fight on.

    Third, the Force plays an active role in the story. It's a different role in the OT than in the PT, and different still in the ST, but the Force is at work. In the PT the Force is concerned with ancient prophecies and bloodlines of destiny. In the OT the Force is intent on the redemption of its chosen son. And in the ST the Force gives a big "Screw you!" to the idea of bloodlines and inheritance, and instead embodies itself in a nobody just to start an awakening. As long as the Force feels the galaxy needs its interaction, there will always be more Star Wars stories to tell.
     
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    The original trilogy is it's own entity. I don't really honestly connect the OT to the current movies. The OT is to much part of my youth. There is no way the new movies will ever come close to that. Plus my more cynical older self see's the corporate nature of the new films.

    RO I think is the only one I might connect up to the OT.
     
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    Yes I think so. The main problem I have is that the Force Awakens starts with a whole lot of stuff that undermines what went before. The Empire has become the First Order, Han has gone back from Rebellion hero to smuggler his relationship with Leia failed. Luke tried to start a new Jedi academy failed and went to hide. If you are going to have these kind on monumental failures then you need to do them the dignity of telling them as a major tragic story, not have them assumed as having happened even before the action begins. The fall of Luke Luke, Han and Leia could have been the new trilogy. But I suspect that wasn't the outline that Lucas had in mind for the Sequels.

    After seeing The Force Awakens I just thought it was not canon. It hadn't tried to extend the vision of Lucas it just tried to do an updated episode 4. I also didn't appreciate how Rey could learn all those Jedi skills without a Jedi Master, it turned the Jedi Lore into meaningless super powers.
     
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    But do you also feel that The Empire Strikes Back ruined the ending of A New Hope, and invalidated the rebel victory? Is the medal scene at the end of A New Hope hollow because of Empire?

    Like in Empire?

    Did Empire invalidate the ending of A New Hope and make it feel less important to you?

    Like how Empire and Return were total unnecessary and not essential to A New Hope's story? And made the triumphant ending of A New Hope hollow and nothing? Or did it not? How do you feel about Empire and Return, and why do they work for you (if they do, I presume they do?), why do they not ruin A New Hope's ending?

    One last thing, you say in one moment that the story of Star Wars was told in Episodes 1-6. It was the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker and then you turn around and say the sequel films ruined the ending of 1-6. So I have to ask, if the story is about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker, what happened at the end of the story (the end of Return of the Jedi)? Who was standing next to Yoda and Obi-Wan in Luke's vision? How did the sequels ruin that ending? Because that's the story, right? The redemption of Anakin Skywalker?
     
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