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Does Ep.9 need to end on a 'happy' note?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Darth Chewie, Mar 14, 2016.

  1. Darth Chewie

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    What would be your reaction if Ep.9 ended the Saga on a dark note? Perhaps our hero's lose the final battle, Rey turns to the dark side, or Kylo has his chance for redemption but chooses not to and takes down a popular hero.
     
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    If another trilogy was confirmed to continue the story a couple of years later - fine. If not, no. There needs to be a satisfying resolution.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised as here trying to hard to emulate The OT...ROTJ was initially supposed to end on a really depressing note with something like Luke Skywalker walking off into the sunset like a cowboy, Han Solo & Obi-Wan Kenobi arguing about settling down together and things like that --- I'm not sure what exactly it was though but it was so much darker than what we really got .
     
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    I'm generally agreeable with this well-stated post.

    Beyond that, I think I would prefer there to be some significant closure, perhaps on the comparable order of Return of the Jedi, by the end of Episode IX.

    To put these thoughts into perspective in terms of real (Earth) chronology, Episode IX is scheduled to arrive 2019.

    For the sake of this example, let us imagine there being no time off between this Sequel Trilogy and the next "Sequel Sequel Trilogy."

    Even if the hypothetical next trilogy (Episodes X - XII) does get written and become a reality on the schedule we presently have (episode / anthology films alternating), that means the next story cycle could take us out to 2025:
    • 2020: [anthology film]
    • 2021: Episode X
    • 2022: [anthology film]
    • 2023: Episode XI
    • 2024: [anthology film]
    • 2025: Episode XII
    If there is some time taken off between IX and X, in terms of production, that means we will not get to find out how this saga ends until after 2025.

    That's a long time. :) Maybe not so long, perhaps, if you're a relatively young Star Wars fan, but it could more than long enough if you've been with Star Wars since the beginning, like many of us.

    I'm all for a Star Wars saga as creatively endless and limitless as the galaxy its stories are set within, and I would also personally prefer it if there could be individually well-defined storylines with beginnings, middles, and endings.

    Not necessarily "happy endings," though. There can never be a truly "happy ending" in Star Wars given all the suffering which has transpired.

    But there can be satisfactory and profound endings which could, in certain ways, bring some things full circle and contribute to a true sense of conclusion where key characters and matters are involved.

    I would prefer it if Episode IX could conclude in such a manner.

    There can always be new stories, origin films, and older ones (e.g. an Old Republic or earlier set trilogy). The storytellers should take as long as is necessary to produce the best possible stories.

    What should not happen, in my opinion, is key storylines (e.g. the Skywalker line) remaining indefinitely unresolved simply to capitalize off of the saga.

    On top of infinite creative possibilities, there is already so much rich material already available and awaiting development in the Star Wars galaxy --- so many characters, worlds, and ideas -- that any such deliberate delays of storyline resolutions are not only unnecessary but undesirable, counterproductive, and dangerous to the vitality of the overall saga.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    A trilogy must have happy ending.

    However abit of frustration left is always good for the continuation.

    Like For instance...ending of ep. IX.

    Luke: "Good work Rey, we did it, he is finaly dead."

    Rey: "Yes dad (holding Finn's hand), we killed that Monsta."

    Ben: "I am back, my dear uncle, my dear niece, and you dear former traitor.I am free."

    All: "Yipiiiiii!!! Hurray!!!"

    Ben: "err. Just a little note. Back then in his teachings, he told me long time ago his apprentice killed him but he found a way to cheat death."

    Luke, Rey, Finn:" What..?!"

    The End.
     
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    Maybe even have Yoda resurrected ;)...
     
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    Yoda's last words (next time around):

    "A... noth... er... tril... o... gy... there... is...."

    (yoda 2) (yoda ghost) (yoda 2) (yoda ghost) (yoda 2)

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    i need ix to end happy.

    i'm okay suffering with vii and viii, but it's gotta pay off at the end of ix, or what's the point?

    they can start suffering again in x down the road. hahaha
     
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    What if Kylo managed to kill Luke and Leia then turn Rey to the Dark Side. Through the guidance of Snoke they start to gather Force Sensitives from all over the galaxy making a new Sith Order and the all Light Side Force users will be hunted down or converted and then that's it there will be no balance restored to the Force. Now I'm not saying I want the ST to end this way or it needs to end this way I just think it would be a cool What If Scenario.
     
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    There is always balance in the force, light and dark. even with the darkside there must be control. thats why they made the rule of 2 for the darkside. Darth Bane wanted to make control of the darkside instead of everyone seeking power to rule. with the lightside its just peace and the more Jedi's the stronger they were. I cant see the SW saga end negative. maybe end with doubt/curiosity but will have to see. I can see them making 8 &9 dark and make Ep. X the last of the SW Saga. thats just my opinion.

    May the force be with you always...
     
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    I'm feeling a very bittersweet ending to episode 9. For Rey and Ben and the new generation just starting it willend on a happy victorious note; BUT, at the expense of Luke Skywalker's happiness. I'm feeling that we'll find out that Luke has been basically turned on by the galaxy and everyone dear to him. Nothing being Luke's fault, but everyone blames him for the bad things happening - which all transpire against Luke's counsel. Basically Luke is sent a fearfulkid to train under the assumption that "all the boy needs is a good teacher" and when Ben turns, instead of saying "good teacher, bad student" everyone says "good kid, bad teacher"

    Luke, Leia and Han have all basically lost everything they cared about. Leia lost her family, then the Republic she worked so hard to build, just as Luke's school and students he lost. I hope Luke gets to see Leia one last time before she dies but I'm not feeling it. Feels like, Leia dies having lost everything, and without being able to make amends with Luke.

    But in the end, I think Luke disappears into the binary sunset alone. So while, "hurray for the new generation's victory" also sorrow for the "man well acquainted with grief"
     
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    I would not be pleased. Not at all. Especially if it feels like a shallow attempt to make a second sequel trilogy, which would be stupid as there are likely hundreds of ways to do so without screwing over the ending of your first sequel trilogy.
     
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    But who should restore the Jedi Order if not Luke. Even if it will turn out that Rey and others of the knew "Big Four" carry all the fighting stuff and physical action, there has to be a mentor figure in the background, don't you think? Who could do that job if not Luke? Perhaps he will go back to Ahch-To at the end, as an eremite like before, but he would still be needed as an background figure for a while, just like Yoda, his home base only known from Rey and a few others from the inner circle of the new Jedi.
    That really would give all his loss a little sense..but who knows perhaps its just a whish of an old Luke fan:)
     
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    I'm expecting another cliffhanger, just saying, I was glad we were kept on edge after TFA, it should happen again in episode 8.
     
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    Once Plagueis is destroyed, the Skywalker story will have closure.

    :)
     
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    I think this is a very good question. If we look at it poetically over the Sagas. Time line wise, the PT ended on a sad note, the bad guys one. In in OT, we have a happy note, the good guys win. Now we have ST, poetic wise, the bad guys should win. But if they do, I think they would be another trilogy. Don't think they would let it go on a sad ending. Maybe neither side wins and it's just a circular story.
     
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    The short and correct answer is yes. This chapter needs to end with hope, and joy for what lies ahead. As good as TFA was, and history tells us that the middle episode that follows will be doom and gloom for our heroes, the ending needs a big victory; good over evil. So that another generation of fans can dream of what may come.
     
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    Maybe, but I think a more bittersweet ending would be best (like RotS), where the great evil might be defeated, but not all the heroes return for a party. I mean, one of the first things the Star Wars franchise did after rebooting was retcon the immediate fall of the Empire (Aftermath, Shattered Empire, Lost Stars). I think they'll want to keep this format so the war story can keep going, and to do that means a partial victory at best.
     
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    I actually wouldn't mind if they ended it with Rey, Poe, Finn and Chewbacca marching down a vast ceremonial hall lined with Resistance troops in parade dress and then receiving medals.
     
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    It will end neutral with Rey being a jedi and somehow the start of the new lore.
     
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