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Does having Ahsoka in the Clone Wars take away the special relationship Obi Wan and Anakin have?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Kylo Solo, Apr 14, 2020.

  1. Kylo Solo

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    We all know that Obi Wan and Anakin have a special bond by the time Revenge of the Sith takes places. We know that they developed a sort of relationship that you would have with a brother. That's why when RotS comes around and Anakin gets turned to the dark side and Obi Wan is forced to fight him, he doesn't want to do it. But now with the inclusion of Ahsoka being Anakin's apprentice and that being cannon, does that take away that sort of special bond between the two? We see how Anakin deeply cares about his apprentice, just like Obi Wan does with Anakin. Does Anakin and Obi Wan's final duel on Mustafar make it any less dramatic?
     
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    Not for me. I would imagine it helps Anakin have a deeper understanding and appreciation of the master/padawan relationship by experiencing it as both a learner and teacher.
     
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    people are allowed to have friends/family friends outside of just two people...i just wish that vader's relationship with anakin was explored further than his and ashoka's, but i guess that it does make sense because of vader's ANH line
     
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    Anakin's relationship with Ahsoka is part of the reason why he begins to distrust the Jedi. Also, that whole bit about "not being a Master," is because of what happened with Ahsoka.
     
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    Doesn't detract anything for me
     
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    Somewhat.
     
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    Not at all. In fact, I’d argue that Anakin and Obi-Wan didn’t even have a special relationship in the films. (They barely interacted in Episode 1, didn’t have the best relationship in Episode 2, and were only friends in Episode 3.)

    It wasn’t until The Clone Wars series, where Ahsoka first shows up, that I believed they had a close friendship, so no, I don’t think her inclusion negatively impacted anything.

    I’d even say it positively affected it, storytelling-wise. Like @General Kenobi pointed out, it probably made Anakin respect and understand Obi-Wan more. Teaching Ahsoka made Anakin mature more (though her departure made him regress quite a bit) and he become more of a peer to Obi-Wan.
     
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    I think TCW handled it well.

    Thanks to The Clone Wars, Anakin and Obi Wan are now some of the most developed canon characters in the series- they certainly still had time together on the show.

    Ahsoka worked well as a foil to them both, in some ways. Often, she was like a mirror that Obi Wan and Anakin could see themselves in- she learned a lot from both, after all. Anakin could see his master's more pragmatic nature rubbing off on Ahsoka, while Obi Wan could see his apprentice's rebelliousness in her. But even so, she still often thought for herself, too.

    The Mandalore arc did a good job of tying Ahsoka in to the action of EPIII, while also not making her absence in the movie particularly suspect.

    So really, I think her presence in the series strengthened Kenobi and Skywalker's bond.
     
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    Only if you want it to.
     
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    Not at all, purely because I have trouble believing Ahsoka ever existed when watching the movies...thus she lacks credibility (that's purely my perspective, not a knock against the character in general or anyone who likes her). To me, Anakin doesn't seem to be any different at the beginning of Episode 3 than he was at the end of Episode 2. I just don't buy he had an apprentice in between these movies and had all this growth we see in The Clone Wars.

    I understand why they've decided to keep her around (because of her popularity) but she is essentially "around" during the events of Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and the Original Trilogy...during these movies the fate of the Galaxy is at stake, and she just doesn't get involved. I'm sure they'll come up with a clever reason why she didn't/couldn't get involved (like they did with ROTS and the last Clone Wars arc), but she's just popped up in to many places either side of movies (but never when it matters) for me to take her seriously anymore.

    If they'd had her meet her end during Rebels, when she takes on Vader so Kanan and Ezra can escape, I think it would have given her a lot more credibility (again, only in my eyes) and I could have bought into her a lot more.
     
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    Not for me
     
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    By Episode II Obi-Wan and Anakin have been bros for 10 years, but in my opinion that wasn't greatly conveyed in that film—they talk gundarks and that's mostly it. In The Clone Wars—even with Ahsoka Tano in the play, sometimes thanks to her, even—they do get their fair share of good Star Wars moments. Just rewatched the whole series, then revisited RotS and it did wrench my heart when he calls him brother near the end :´(
     
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    sort of, yes. Also it always bothered me Anakin having a bond with Ahsoka, because I always thought of him being a loner and total outsider, and padme and Obi-Wan were the only good things in his life. Totally changed the character of Anakin for me.
     
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    I think that Anakin having a connection with Ahsoka helped to give us another perspective on the tension and competition between Anakin and Obi Wan, there for adding a lot to their relationship rather than taking away. But I totally understand everything you guys are saying and this is just the way I view things.
     
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    Not necessarily, at least to me. The relationship between Anakin and Obi-wan and Ahsoka built up his character. Both relations were cool to see and both relations were evident during the Clone Wars. I mean, Anakin did think Obi-Wan was pulling Anakin back and wasn’t teaching him enough. He said he wanted more and he knew he shouldn’t. But in terms of the SW storyline, both relations had their importance
     
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    Not to me, at least. I think that it totally gave the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan another level.
     
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    Yes! I couldn’t agree more
     
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    i know right?
     
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    ..i just wish that vader's relationship with anakin was explored further than his and ashoka's, but i guess that it does make sense because of vader's ANH line
     
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