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Does Lucasfilm need new creative direction?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Jaxxon, Feb 18, 2020.

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Does Lucasfilm need new creative direction?

  1. No - I'm happy with the direction they've gone so far!

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  2. Yes - we need some serious changes

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  1. Xeven

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    They got the guy. His name is Feloni.
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    Feloni.
     
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    What does a 40 year old female rapper have to do with Lucasfilm?
     
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    The problem w/ Star Wars is not creative development. Its corporate interference, politics and box office.
    Forget the bottom line or how much money can be made by merchandising and get back to the basis of what Star Wars is...
    Its no surprise EP4 "Star Wars" and EP5 are 2 of the best SW films....is started to go downhill EP6 when Ewoks replaced Wookies and
    Lucas "I can't sell toys if your dead" refused to kill off Solo.

    Star Wars didnt mesmerize the world because of cute tshirts, lunch boxes or bed sheets....it was an imaginative story which captivated and inspired its audience.

    Until Disney/Lucasfilms gets out of the filmmakers way...any new SW project will never match the magic of the first two.

    Cheers, KH
     
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    I would push back a little and say that Lucasfilm doesn't need to get out of the filmmakers way in some regards.

    Using the events of SOLO as an example, it sounds to me like it was a good thing Lord and Miller were excused from the project, because I haven't heard a lot of positive things about how the story was shaping up with them in charge.
    Now, I think it would be great if they returned to the director's seats at some point, but they were going a little too far with a script that had more intent and focus than how they work on a project. It's very likely we would have received a SOLO film that feels even more distant to the characters than what we got.
    It was good that Lucasfilm stepped in and was able to lay down the law, because what was being made was not very Star Wars. There should be perimeters that dictate various elements, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the filmmakers.

    The corporate interference I think mainly comes from Disney, because they have certain deadlines they require. I hope Lucasfilm will be able to take a step back and dictate their own timeline on when Star Wars movies and shows will be able to be shown and released. But, even then, the filmmakers and everyone involved needs to be on the same page when it comes to a project. I don't think that's been happening, and LFL is in the right to do as they please.
    Now, that doesn't mean it's a good decision if they fire or replace writers, directors, and anyone else. But they have the right to do so. Only time will tell when we get to hear more about the projects that were, or could have been like, but until now, we have no tangible way of knowing certain things.
     
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    This is part of the impossible pickle LFL is in with Star Wars.

    "Get out of the film makers way! Let them do their thing! Stop firing guys!"

    "You need one shared cohesive vision that lines up perfectly and even the most superfluous, minor misstep is a major failing!!!"
     
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    Based on what we've seen from Mando and the animated series I'd say Lucasfilm is in fine shape. The ST was doing well until Fisher passed away. People can blame the problems TROS had on several things, but her absence really hurt the final act. Solo wasn't great, but it was far from being a bad film. Now that the saga films are done let's see what the creative heads at Lucasfilm can do without the burden of 40 years of backstory. Mando turned out well without all that baggage.
     
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    Yeah that's just where we are at now with fandom and social media. 1977 isn't walking back through that door. Things that get criticized now have always been there in some shape or form but the internet has replaced the water cooler.
     
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    And yet Mando seems determined to tie itself directly into that baggage by bringing in legacy characters tightly bound to it.
    Bizarre truthfully.
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    Sure but people are also much more...let's go with "militant", about their fake characters than 40 years ago. People don't move on now. It's weird.
     
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    To be fair, Boba is the only one they've brought back from that era. Everything has been from animation, and to most watching won't know who those characters are.



    *cough #SynderCult cough*
     
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    True, but not that it's "characters", not actors.

    Characters are a whole lot easier to manage then actors are, especially for a series like Star Wars where actors become pretty synonymous with their characters. After all, we've mentioned here how devastating to the series Carrie's loss was.

    Mark Hamill is THE Luke Skywalker. Carrie Fischer is THE Princess Leia. There's not even much debate on the fact that Ford is THE Han Solo, even though Alden did a pretty good job- and like Kenobi, Anakin, and a few others, the time skip presents kind of a different issue anyway.

    Compared to the struggles of someone like Ben Affleck to become the new Batman, this is a very different way of handling beloved pop culture characters.

    I was thinking the other day about how Ahsoka is quickly becoming the "face" of Star Wars lately, and it actually seems like a pretty good idea. Unlike Rey/Finn/Poe/Ren who were all immediately attached to actors essentially by their reveal, Ahsoka is a character that has become increasingly marketable all without being too tied down to a specific actress. Once Ahsoka is cast on film, fans will see that actress as the character- even though Eckstein did a fantastic job voicing her, unless she's cast in live action the canon will most heavily recognize someone else.

    So other rumored legacy characters- Bo Katan, Cobb Vanth, Iden Versio, Sabine Wren, etc... they can be cast with relatively little risk. There's some fan familiarity with them, but like the Darksaber they're something that can be eased into canon in their new medium as well.

    And Temura... that was just a good catch. Fans are lucky he's down for more.
     
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    Eh. Arbitrary lines are arbitrary.
    Boba Fett. Asohka. Rex.
    People absolutely threw fits when Rosario was announced.

    General fans who don't know about those characters aren't the ones who care about them being tied in anyways.
    "If Bo Katan is in this what does this mean for her connection to..."
     
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    I don't mind that as much because it's a natural extension of what Lucasfilm has been working on the past decade. No one has been waiting to see Ahsoka Tano for 3 decades. No matter who they add to the Mandalorian the show is still going to be about Din Djarin. Bringing in Rex, Ahsoka for an episode is a good way to introduce people to these character without having to watch hundreds of animated episodes.
     
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    I think it’s interesting when Lando & Palpatine were announced for Rise at celebration last year, there were so many “hot takes” calling it desperate, unnessary fan service, trading off nostalgia etc...but The Mando is basically going member Ahsoka? member Boba Fett? member Bo Katan? And people are living for it!

    Not saying it’s right or wrong (I’m personally down with bringing back characters, if it makes sense for the story and connects things up) it’s just interesting how the “fan base” has reacted to basically the same thing in totally different ways.
     
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    I don't really associated Ahsoka and Bo Katan as nostalgia characters. We just saw new episodes with them a few days ago. Fett to a certain degree, but to be fair these 3 characters are barely known by Star Wars fans who don't watch animation and that's the majority.
     
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    Also, Bo Katan and Felt both have reasons to be tied to The Mandalorian, which definitely is a bit of a dive into Mando culture- and even if that's not Fett's true heritage, he's certainly embraced it.

    Ahsoka and Rex perhaps to a lesser degree, but you don't have to look far to find their ties as well.
     
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    Ahsoka and Rex have important parts to play in the Siege, Ahsoka also knows Sabine because of the darksaber and Rebels finale, thus Rex would follow Ahoska and Sabine. All these characters have connections to Mandalore
     
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    Exactly. It's not a stretch. They all have reason to know each other.

    And maybe that makes the galaxy feel a little smaller, but that's kinda the nature of the space fantasy genre, as opposed to sci-fi. And in a series where the main baddie turns out to be the hero's father, I'm not sure that galactic scale has always been considered.
     
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    It also feels like something that was planned out. We know the child is tied in some way to Kamino because the doctor in the first season had the Kamino cloner patch. Fett and Rex both have ties to Kamino. These connections don't feel hamfisted the way Palpatine was introduced in TROS.
     
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