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SPECULATION Does society even still believe Jedi exist?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by odmichael, Jan 9, 2015.

  1. odmichael

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    I've been wondering, with all of the talk of Luke being in hiding and a lack of force-users in the universe, do people even believe that Jedi exist? I am not talking about our heros/villains. I mean regular society. If Luke's really been in hiding, it's been 33 years (or something like that) since people have seen a force-user. Leia may have become more developed with the force. But does she even want society to know she wields the force?

    I feel like when we see this movie, seeing a force-sensitive character will be highly significant to insignificant characters. For some, it maybe a glimmer of hope in what seems to be dark times in the galaxy far far away.

    In fact, do you guys think that the Empire may have even caused people to believe Jedi are betrayers of the Empire, similar to what the Emperor proclaimed in Episode III? If there are "inquisitor"-types in this movie, then society may view the Jedi as the reason their lives are so terrible.
     
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    My prediction on the matter is that it can go both ways:

    - It is now public that Force users are responsible for the wars (Palpatine, Vader, Jedi & their clone army)

    or

    - Jedi have become Taboo
     
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    They are about to.
     
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    They may have become legends of tales.To the majority..a fantasy ..to a few historic reality.
    Vader vas mocked by some imperial punk officer...until Vader started to force choke him...letting him know it was not fairytales from the past.
     
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    Well not all Force users are Jedi or Sith. In cannon there are the Night Sisters, people expelled from either order (jedi/sith), the gods of the Gungans are shared by another species who Jar Jar and Mace Windu visited in the TCW. They were "strong in the force" and using the force was an aspect of their faith. Additionally there is Admiral Ackbar's phrase in ROTJ, he says at the point of executing their battle plans, "May the Force be With Us." This suggests that among some at least in the Rebellion a belief or idea that the Force can be a sort of "guiding hand." This phrase felt very much analogous to "Go with God," or "Godspeed." Lastly there is software out there that when blood is analysed measure mitochlorean concentration. It is an aspect of science that those strong with the force can be recognized by science. This was I am assuming how Jedi in the Old Republic were identified and more than likely how the Empire identified them as well. This science would likely not be lost.
     
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    I supposed some societies still have force-users still around - assuming they have not been killed off by the Empire (my guess is not). But most societies have not seen a force-user for a very-long time. From what I am aware of, the night sisters have isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy. And who's listening to Gungan religion in this galaxy?


    This phrase though treats force-sensitive people as though they are mythical. You believe in them but have no proof. So are you agreeing with what I am saying? I'm a little confuse why you brought this up.


    It would be interesting to see if this plays out in the new movies (although I doubt it will). But this is still sort of irrelevant to what I am talking about. People aren't going around everywhere (at least I don't think) drawing blood for midichlorians. I'm saying Jedi are likely regarded as legends and not real. The majority of society doesn't believe them to exist anymore.
     
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    I brought it up cause Ackbar as far as I know is not a force user. He is addressing other non force users. So it sheds light on what at least some Rebels think which I thought relevant to what you were thinking. Even without people in orders of Jedi or Sith people have an idea of the Force and that the Force may act for or against them.
     
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    I think the Jedi in VII are now like Dragonborns from Skyrim, and people will want Jedis because it reminds them of a time of peace and a time without the threat of the Empire/Sith.
     
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    I don't think their opinion would have changed since A New Hope, they might not even know Vader had any force abilities.
     
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    If anything, I think the lack of Jedi would make their legend grow not diminish.
     
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    They will still be a relic of the past

    The "may the force be with you" was being said by Rebel commanders since Episode IV and was basically a harken back to the old times they were fighting for. The Jedi represented the old republic but have faded into myth, most people in the old republic most likely lived their whole life without seeing a Jedi and heard that their friend's drunk cousin once saw a Jedi lift a mountain with the force.

    The Jedi are mythic and in some cases may be frowned upon if it got out that Vader was once a Jedi. Those who miss the stability of the Empire would also detest Jedi as both traitors and Luke as the downfall of the Grand old Empire and the cause of this current Cold War mess.
     
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    That would be a cool scenario. Jedi legend outlaws.
     
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    i can't speak for society as a whole, but i know i don't believe real, Force wielding Jedi exist. lulzz

    just based on that scene with Vader and those Imperial goons in ANH i would say that people think they're extinct and would probably scoff if someone told them they were a Jedi. even Jabba was like, "b!tch, this aint no Jedi!" i know that if i were a baddy in the Star Wars universe i would also hold onto the idea of Jedi being extinct; you don't wanna spook your men, you know? stories of boogeymen/Jedi are bad for business!
     
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    I don't know.. I know people know that ANH and Empire exist.. not sure about the Jedi movie
     
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    In ANH Darth Vader is also basically called a sorcerer. So in ANH the idea of jedi/sith is basically equivalent to that of witch doctor, however Vader shows how real it all is by choking one of the officers.

    In ESB we don't see much progression on this topic, luke would be more known for his piloting and leading a rebel fighter group, and in ROTJ it was the rebels that defeated the emperor, no one would really know the jedi/sith story on the death star unless luke held press conferences etc. :D

    I think ep. VII and this new trilogy will bring the force/jedi/sith back into the "societal" spotlight. Big blast is about to go down :D
     
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    Maybe the subtitle The Force Awakens gives us a clue? Seems like the jedi/sith were all myths and legends in the OT.

    "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

    "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything.There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. Anyway, it's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

    I think by the OT, people have accepted that Force-Users are gone. Myths. I hope that they come back into the public perception in the ST. Maybe the New Jedi Order can be what the Old Jedi Order could never be. Maybe the new school incorporates some humility that the old school lacked. Maybe the Sith establish an order, Knights of the Old Republic style.

    I can't remember where I read it, or who the interview was with (I wanna say Kevin Smith, but I've looked through everything and it's not him) there was an interview/leak a while back that said something along the lines of "Jedi are all over this film and kick ass" (paraphrasing).

    My point is, this is the one thing we've heard about the Jedi in this film that has been positive and suggests that there actually is a New Order. All of the other rumors indicate that Luke is a hermit and the Jedi haven't been trained at all. We also had a name pop up on IMDB as a Padawan. Outside of that, it looks like fate of the Jedi rests with Finn and Rey....which is kind of disappointing if you think about how much time Luke has has to fund and train people....
     
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    I see what you mean, however, we've seen the jedi in numbers in the prequels and I still couldn't get that genuine SW excitement. I'm rather looking forward to the whole jedi are rare scenario. But with all of the young actors in this film esp. with the three dudes from the raid two, we may yet just see multiple jedi sith battles. If it's done CORRECTLY this time, then perhaps we can get that true SW kick ass vibe back. My fingers have been crossed for so long that they wont even come uncrossed.
     
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