Does the Sequel Trilogy have a cohesive story?

Really, name calling because someone doesnt share your opinion. Certainly isn't what this board is about.

 

The facts do not support this assertion.

 

TFA is a remake, TLJ is a snuff film using the character names and actors from real Star Wars movies, and TROS is the film equivalent of a drunk dial to an ex-girlfriend, promising them the world if they would only come back.

No, it ain’t cohesive, because KK & JJ didn’t have the confidence or vision to put a plan in place OR negotiate harder with Rian Johnson.

There are dozens of competent directors in Hollywood who could have made an original episode 7, an interesting and different ep 8, and a satisfying ep 9.

JJ is a huge liar who likes to pretend he had a solid plan for the story after TFA. RJ is a weird, evil little troll who fell arse-backwards into a job where he had way too much power for his record in Hollywood due to KK just being a bad producer.

What is the legendary Pablo Hidalgo doing all day? Are he and his team only there to make sure the same secret isn’t put into two different kinds of media so every new thing in the SW universe must be bought individually by the fans?

the fact that they never wrote down the trilogy’s major story points on a white board and locked them in before filming TFA is unforgivable. Disney has been dealing with Marvel this whole time, and they map stuff out very well, and when they retcon, they do their best to do it as soon as they need to and not make it jarring.

bob Igor, Hidalgo, Kk, JJ, and the other major players ALL FAILED.

Any studio head or producer that read the TFA & TLJ scripts should have rejected them based on their obvious flaws.
I know a lot of directors turned them down for TFA. I’m not sure exactly what convinced them to give so much control to a creepy, untested director who wanted to kill all that was loved about SW right after they’d basically insisted on making a copy of ANH, but they hired and green lit TLJ well before TFA came out.
TROS is just cleaning up the mess of the first two films (JJ of all people, tries to walk back the clear Mary Sue aspects of Rey in first two films).

lock in a basic outline of the story, work to implement that plan, and don’t let your directors give in to their worst habits...that’s how you run a franchise.

they failed. But they made $, so whatever.
They have hurt and devalued SW going forward.

I am very interested to see who they hire for the 2022 film.

mid i were them, I’d have John Favreau, Fukunaga, Sam Mendes, Christopher McQuarrie, Spielberg (I know this will never happen, but he should), Russo Brothers, Joss Whedon, or Phil Alden Robinson to do a one-shot film. Do three separate, but loosely related movies next, not a trilogy.

Do an Old Republic film about the early Jedi/Sith conflict, a Rogue Squadron war movie (Top Gun in Space), and a whodunit/Agatha Christie type movie in Canto Bight...

so many stories to tell.

 

At least the ST Story is not as cohseive as I'd want it to be...

 

I literally defy any person to make the claim that there was no narrative cohesion between the 3 films in the Sequel Trilogy and between the Sequel Trilogy and the Prequel and Original Trilogies after watching the The Skywalker Legacy documentary featurette that was released with TRoS on home video and digitally.

 

TLJ ruined it.

 

The sequel trilogy has no story. You should disregard it if you have a pulse and a soul.
The three films are basically a bunch of short Michael Bay style action and explosion scenes that have toys and other merch tied in to them.

 

I will continue to say that 7,8,9 are all good/enter Standalone films that are executed well, look beautiful, well acted, but horrible Saga films that don’t work as a Trilogy or connect with the PT/OT.

 

The last three comments in this thread are objectively and factually wrong.

 

They’re called opinions as I respect if you disagree with me. Nobody is right, nobody is wrong. You may want to check in the dictionary what an ‘opinion’ is.

 

An opinion is only valid if it isn't objectively contradicted by facts.

And any opinion that holds that the Sequel Trilogy was not narratively cohesive with either itself or the two trilogies that came before it is objectively contradicted by facts and is therefore invalid and wrong.

 

Whatever. Life is too short to debate people like you. I have no problem listening to opposing views on any subject, but I don’t waste my time with people who don’t respect other’s opinions.

 

What facts?

 

We've already done this song and dance countless times in the last 6 months, but here we go again:
* JJ Abrams served in a producer capacity on all 3 Sequel Trilogy films
* Both Abrams and Rian Johnson have confirmed that they collaborated before and during the writing process on The Last Jedi
* Both Abrams and Chris Terrio have repeatedly stated that they respected and built upon everything that Rian did narratively with The Last Jedi with The Rise of Skywalker
* The Rise of Skywalker is full of narrative links to both the Prequel and Original Trilogies
* The TRoS behind-the-scenes documentary The Skywalker Legacy is a blow-by-blow accounting of Abrams and Terrio's efforts to connect and wrap up the narrative of both the Sequel Trilogy and the Prequel and Original Trilogies

 

There is a huge difference between trying and actually succeeding. Did JJ and co try to make a coherent and good story? Probably. Did they succeed? This is highly arguable.

People have different opinions. For example IMO TROS doesn't feel like a sequel to TLJ but to TFA. So, am I wrong or right then? I'm neither. Subjective opinion is exactly that. There is not such thing like 'objective opinion', that's not part of the human nature.

 

Ok, this is enough.

The current discussion serves no purpose other than fueling resentments. Actually, I'm tempted to ask the senior mods to close down the entire thread as it serves very little constructive purpose at this point. If there is no such thing as objective truths, then there is no point in arguing over whether or not the ST has a cohesive story.

Nothing new and productive will come from the current line of arguments.