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SPECULATION Does this Snoke theory suck?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 2, 2017.

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Does this theory suck?

  1. Yes, it sucks.

  2. No, it could be true...all of it.

  3. #PlagueisConfirmed

  4. Don't know. Ask Pablo.

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  1. master_shaitan

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    I've always found it a bit silly that Palpatine didn't just clone Vader.
    I know they say that this wouldn't pass on Force power but I have never really bought that.
    Luke was always going to be strong with the Force because he was Vader's son. Same with Leia.
    Therefore, the Force has always been genetic in that if you come from a Force sensitive family then you will have a strong connection to the Force. The mystical part is whether you pursue that connection.
    Therefore, wouldn't clones work in the same way?
    Palpatine wanted a full strength Vader and he got a cripple. And so, considering how he used cloning technology before, it would be odd to have not given it a shot again...

    ...but then, maybe he did and Snoke was the outcome - perhaps using Skywalker's genes corrupted the body of Snoke?

    Snoke is old - growth acceleration.
    Snoke saw the rise of the Empire - he was created as Vader was born.
    Snoke is not quite human - distorted by the Dark Side/Force
    Snoke is a new character - indeed.

    Snoke may even then have had his genes manipulated so that he can't feel love or compassion? We know The Clones were programmed in a way so they would "take orders without question".

    I think this may also tie in with the Imperial research facility/Sith excavation site on Jakku.
    I believe that Force trees will have a role to play in this trilogy and I think they might relate to Snoke's power.
    Perhaps there was once a Force tree on Jakku (it was once a fertile world that at some point, probably due to the Sith, turned to a desert) and that after Palpatine took over he took the Jedi's Force trees back to the ancient site on Jakku. There is secret he used Vader's genes and also the power of the Force tree to create Snoke. Perhaps that was the way of passing on force power as cloning didn't work by itself?

    After Palpatine's death and the battle of Jakku, Rax took Snoke to the Unknown Regions. From there Snoke became leader of the First Order and began to gain more strength (through his apprentices, Rax...Kylo Ren...). Of course this idea might equally work if Palpatine cloned himself, looking to create a vessel to pass his consciousness into via these Force trees.
     
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    I really don't think your theory sucks and in fact I find it quite interesting and much more interesting than many of the things that I've been hearing. Having Snoke be a failed Vader clone would go quite well with the ongoing tale as we all know that Palps didn't think twice about having his current apprentice removed if a more powerful one became available. While I know Sheev knew that Vader still had his uses, I tend to think that he was quite disappointed with the results as he ended up with another Grievous even if this one was more powerful. Having Palps use the experiments he learned from Plagueis to try and create a powerful Force user would go well with the whole Darth Plagueis story and Palps the guy that would have found a good use for Snoke even if he turned out to be a failed experiment.

    Know, if you truly want to find a sucky Snoke theory...........

    snoke.png
     
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    Snoke is Plagueis. It's been confirmed.*


    * #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    I was almost following your train of thought... and then you mentioned someone called Rax and I fell down a metaphorical black hole :confused: :D
     
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    Rax must have some involvement though. He guarded the facility/site for Palpatine...
     
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    See, this is where my fan credentials are exposed as insufficient for participating in this thread... as I have no idea who Rax is! :D
     
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    He's a character in Aftermath (the novel). He is an orphan from Jakku than Palpatine took under his wing and put in charge of guarding an excavation site that was once significant to the sith a thousand years prior. Upon this site a research facility was also built. Rax served Palpatine and then after his death he essentially took over the Empire and orchestrated the Battle of Jakku. He believed in rebuilding the Empire into essentially what the FO is today.

    That's a crude summation but essentially the main points.
     
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    I think that Snoke is going to tie back into the Original Trilogy but we isn't going to have some secret identity that is actually a character we know. He so old that he had to be involved in the conflicts somehow. I don't buy any of the theories that I see now. I think Snoke is really just Snoke and we've wasted all our time on trying to figure out who he is.
     
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    I don't buy this ancient dark sider idea though. If this were the case, he'd have taken action sooner. That's what the dark side demands. You actively seek to take over and gain more power. You don't sit around in the unknown regions and watch as the Sith take over or the Jedi fall. The idea that he has been conveniently locked up somewhere for all this time is absurd as well. For me, he has to be established in some way after the Sith take over and have endured injuries within this time that meant he had to wait for his time to strike.
     
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    I don't like the idea that he just came out of no one and took over everything. I don't need him to be a certain character I just want to know more about his motivation.
     
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    I still think Rax is connected directly to Snoke directly in some way, seeing as he defies the Emperor's use of the Force to lure him out of hiding aboard his ship, and is therefore - to some extent - a Force-sensitive.

    not a silly theory by any means though: I'm a fan!
     
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    I think this is a really interesting theory, although I like the idea that Snoke is a clone of Palps better than him being a clone of Vader. That would make more sense to me, and would echo the relationship of Palps/Vader with Snoke/Kylo. Pablo has said that Snoke is not human. Does being a clone mean you are not human? I dunno. Will this theory turn out to be correct? I guess we will probably find out in about 10 1/2 months. Personally, I like the mystery of who Snoke is and where he came from, but I am not getting deep into any of these theories. They are fun to think about the possibilities, but I am just enjoying the ride and looking forward to what is revealed in the movies.
     
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    I think Snoke is created from Lord Cronal at 90%
     
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    Interesting theory. My initial response is mentioned in the OP though. Wouldn’t Palps, a megalomaniac, choose to clone himself rather than his waffly apprentice? And if so, wouldn’t he claim to be the real guy and not someone new? The names ‘Vader’ and ‘Palpatine’ would have way more street cred with Imperial fan boys than ‘Snoke’. Anyway, cool idea.
     
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    A Vader clone could potentially be more powerful though which is what Palpatine would want the most I guess.
     
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    I've just started reading Aftermath so I will be able to follow your theories.
    Snoke is supposed to be 7 foot tall tho.
    Maybe ol' sexy Palpatine had a torrid love affair with a Kaminoan?
     
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    Wookiee with alopecia? :eek:
     
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    didnt snoke also see the respublic? falso memories maybe? ?
     
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    Just says he saw the rise of the Empire in the novel I think.
     
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    do we know that it was a Sith site, or that it was significant to the Sith? or was it just a place that Palps was personally invested in for whatever reason? it could be that it holds ancient knowledge predating the Sith and Jedi. unless, of course, it says in Aftermath that it is indeed a Sith thing. i haven't read the book so i thought i'd ask.

    you don't just sit around in unknown regions? sorry, i gotta disagree there!

    firstly, they were clearly not sitting around as it must have taken a while to train up the troops and complete Starkiller Base.

    secondly, sitting around and waiting is EXACTLY what the Sith did for hundreds of years! i don't think the dark side is absolutely synonymous with compulsive power grabs.
     
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