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SPECULATION "Don't be afraid, I feel it too."

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Moral Hazard, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Moral Hazard

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    Any murmerings around the Cantina about what Kylo's feeling here?

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    Strong Force presence? Special connection? Light or Dark side seduction?
     
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    Loneliness ?

    Ben should have felt lonely in his childhood.
     
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    At first I was going to say abandonment, but after rewatching that scene I would say fear. "Don't be afraid, I feel it to." Rey was feeling fear.
    Rey feels Kylo's fear, fear that he will never be as strong as Darth Vader.
     
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    I've gone back and forth about this line. It's one that I hope will become clearer in future movies as we learn what Rey and Kylo Ren might have in common.

    For now, I think it means sensitivity to/ability to utilize/strength in the Force. (She is a novice at it and so she feels fear.)

    (Next week I'll probably have a different theory. :rolleyes:)
     
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    Glove texture? Thin air? :p
     
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    Another idea I've toyed with is that Kylo Ren is speaking about being aware of common destiny.

    As the primary protagonist and antagonist in the ST, Kylo Ren and Rey are going to be interconnected, possibly as long as they're both alive. At this point Kylo Ren is speaking from a position of power (which would explain his [over]confident tone) to Rey, who's currently in a frightening and vulnerable position. She doesn't know--yet--that she has the ability to kick his butt (twice)!
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    Haha! Yeah. "I feel it too. Brrr. I think we should turn the AC back a notch, don't you?" :D
     
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    But I thought air conditioners were sexist to females? ;)
     
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    Why do you think Captain Phasma wears that armor all the time? It's thermal. (phasma):p
     
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    for a long time i thought he was referring to the pain of having her mind breached (because their encounter on Takodana in the book is described as painful).

    now, like @Choose Light, i'm more inclined to believe he's talking less about pain and more about the weirdness of doorway he's cranking open between their minds. and i think this is what clues Rey in that if he can walk through that door into her head, then she can walk into his.
     
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    This takes it one step further than I was thinking re: Force awareness, to the specific arena of using the Force to muck around in each other's heads. (It ends up being pretty scary for both of them, in different ways.) I like it!

    And maybe because she's a fellow Force user, it's a different enough experience from Poe for KR that he comments on it? Could he be feeling some kind of weird counter-flow at this point, even though he doesn't know she's going to kick the door down into his mind too?
     
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    it begs the question whether by "going easy" on her, he deliberately let her in (even if unconsciously), because yes, this didn't seem to be an issue with Poe.
    but whether he suspects she's FS is up for debate too....
     
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    Good point--it's possible he doesn't know she's FS at this point. He has already been inside her head though, so I assumed that he was aware (and just assumed he was far stronger and could handle anything--seems to be his MO). I also assumed that since he saw the island he realized it was a Force vision/dream--but then again, maybe it wasn't, and he didn't. ;)


    Here's an interesting bit from the script:

    You know I can take whatever I want.
    Trepidation flashes across Rey's eyes. Kylo Ren moves closer,
    his hand rising toward her. She recoils, but has nowhere to
    go. Kylo Ren nearly TOUCHES HER FACE...
    THEY'RE BOTH SURPRISED: they react to a feeling that passes
    between them -- AN ENERGY THEY RECOGNIZE IN EACH OTHER.
    And then it's gone. Adversaries again. Rey can't move,
    quietly strains in agony, trying to resist Ren's probing.
    ?? Maybe this speaks to the OP ("Don't be afraid. I feel it too")? They both feel Force tingles? :confused::D And "adversaries again" as if in that instant they weren't somehow?
    EDIT: OK, darn it, is this a "Force bond"? Is this what one looks like?

    TBH, I don't see anything in either actor at that point that indicates outwardly this emotion of surprise mentioned in the script. Maybe this part was "directed" out? :confused:
     
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    I'd go for number 3.
     
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    Care to elaborate? :) (Just the theory, please. :eek:)
     
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    they do eyeball each other a lot, but yeah, the "don't worry, i feel it too" seems to have perhaps replaced the tingles (or whatever).
    since this line isn't in the script or the book, it's possible they chose to go with verbalizing the feeling rather than acting it.
    though i would add that whatever he feels, he's not afraid of it, so he's ahead of the game with her.
     
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    The line does appear to be in the script:

    KYLO REN
    I know you've seen the map. It's in
    there... and now you'll give it to
    me. Don't be afraid. I feel it
    too.

    Where her strength comes from, she doesn't know, but:

    REY
    I'm not giving you anything.
    Here's the larger chunk:
    KYLO REN
    Tell me about the droid.

    REY
    (a nervous beat)
    He's a BB unit with a selenium drive
    and a thermal hyperscan vindicator --

    KYLO REN
    He's carrying a section of a
    navigational chart. We have the
    rest, recovered from archives of the
    Empire. We need the last piece.
    And somehow, you convinced the droid
    to show it to you. You. A scavenger --
    Rey reacts -- afraid -- how does he know?

    KYLO REN (CONT'D)
    You know I can take whatever I want.
    Trepidation flashes across Rey's eyes. Kylo Ren moves closer,
    his hand rising toward her. She recoils, but has nowhere to
    go. Kylo Ren nearly TOUCHES HER FACE...
    THEY'RE BOTH SURPRISED: they react to a feeling that passes
    between them -- AN ENERGY THEY RECOGNIZE IN EACH OTHER.
    And then it's gone. Adversaries again. Rey can't move,
    quietly strains in agony, trying to resist Ren's probing.

    KYLO REN (CONT'D)
    ... You're so lonely... so afraid to
    leave...
    (then, slight smile)
    At night, desperate to sleep... you
    imagine an ocean. I see it -- I see
    the island...
    Tears stream down her face as she resists. She tries to
    break free, but can't budge.

    KYLO REN (CONT'D)
    And Han Solo. You feel like he's
    the father you never had. He would've
    disappointed you.



    (CONTINUED)
    CONTINUED:

    His hand still on her face, her eyes fierce through the agony:

    REY
    -- Get out of my head --
    But this just makes Kylo lean closer.

    KYLO REN
    I know you've seen the map. It's in
    there... and now you'll give it to
    me. Don't be afraid. I feel it
    too.
    Where her strength comes from, she doesn't know, but:

    REY
    I'm not giving you anything.
     
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    oh that's funny ~ i mis-remembered. it's definitely not in the book. thank you for the clarification!

    the other thing they changed about this scene from the descriptions in the script and book is that he never actually touches her.
    i don't know if his putting his hands on her was just considered too much? it's an interesting choice.
     
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    Yes, the not touching thing seems to have been a directorial choice. Does that behind-the-scenes featurette cover any of that? I can't remember. :oops:
     
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    not that i recall (though obviously my memory is not so great ~ hahaha).

    it does seem that great care was taken with the scene particularly: so they were definitely going for something ~ we're just not sure exactly what.
     
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    This was my initial assumption - that he feels something he fears or has feared (we know he fears succumbing to the light) and anticipates the same for Rey.

    Other suggestions also make sense. It might not be something too deep or existential. It fits that he could just be feeling and acknowledging her base fears due to her situation. Occums razor supports @Bandini and @Ceruleanlord - it takes the least assmptions to speculate he may be referring to understandable emotional responses due to her predicament or physical environment.
    Not when he crouches down next her no - although Kylo does flash a quizzical micro expresion of surprise (which may also just be the strain of his focus) before delivering his cryptic line. Interesting that the script indicates he might be feeling something new or unexpected.
    Interesting. Maybe he's talking as much to himself as to her?
    Does this imply a familiarity?

    Wild speculation - This could also be a convergence or bond that amplifies or negates one anothers power when summed together.
     
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