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Dracula Mythos in Episode VII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Duck Duck Goose, Sep 17, 2014.

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    I realize how absurd it sounds to tie in Dracula and Star Wars. After all, there have been dozens of films, comedies, books, video games, and a plethora of other pop culture media surrounding the subject of Vlad the Impaler. On the surface, the two franchises seem to have little to nothing in common. However, I am only concerned with the myth of Dracula, and Lucas drawing inspiration from pop culture elements that he grew up with. Just for the record, I have little interest in vampires.

    Using elements from horror films is not uncharted territory for Lucas. He has given nods to classic horror films before, through naming Episode's I title The Phantom Menace, Episode's II title Attack of the Clones, Count Dooku, and through his polarizing decision to create Vader via a Frankenstein allusion.

    My theory centers on the new menace, fear, or villain being inspired by Dracula. There are few villains as iconic as Darth Vader, but Dracula arguably might be be as well known. Furthermore, it would make sense for Lucas to try to have the new villain more powerful and intimidating than any other one than we have ever seen. Copolla's vision of Bram Stoker's Dracula shows just how sinister Dracula was originally intended to be, although it would be much more toned down for a Star Wars film.

    If you would like, you can read the comments section under the Darth Ruin article on some ideas I and other fans had on the new villain a little while ago:

    http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/0...kellig-michael-in-november.html?show=comments

    Although I highly doubt that the main villain is named Darth Ruin, or is a Sith Lord, the important take away from the message board was that the new villain is either very old, or is immortal, just like Dracula, and every bit as deceptive.

    Now do I think that only a stake through the heart can kill this new villain? Of course not, but I would not be surprised if there are other characteristics that parallel the two villains. I am not sure what those could be (but just out of the top of my head), maybe only a Jedi ceremony could permanently banish the foe, or maybe the new villain could polymorph, thereby escaping detection.

    Thoughts?
     
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    How did you create a Dracula related Star Wars Thread, mention Count Dooku, and fail to mention that both Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing Dracula movies?

    Seriously? Count Dracula + George Lucas' obsession with poop jokes= Count Dooku.
     
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    Cushing and Lee are interesting tidbits.

    I did consider Count Dooku being a primordial attempt at an allegory to Dracula as well, but I believe it will be much more obvious with the new villain.
     
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    What? How? You don't think it's a little odd that Lucas hired Lee (who played Dracula several times) and created the character of Count Dooku for him? (And you've never heard of "dookie?"...it's like poodoo).

    You didn't actually know about Lee, Cushing, and the Dracula connection before I brought it up, did you?

    Lol nice attempt at trying to change your initial message. Thanks for the trolling tag though. Cute. It editing your post doesn't make you look smarter.
     
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    I have seen you do this to other threads as well
     
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    I just like intellectual honesty. You tried to hide behind and edit and didn't like what I said, so you labelled me a troll.

    Sorry if I think it's childish.

    (P.s.-I'm the one who liked your post. Figured you needed a pick me up in the oh so serious world of internet message boards)

    It's possible you don't read sarcasm/facetiousness well in an online context, which would explain your initial disdain to my first post.
     
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    I will admit that I was premature in assuming that you're trolling, and should not have based these posts on previous ones. My apologies.

    As far as Cushing and Lee are concerned, I completely forgot about their previous roles. I read about it years ago, but I would have never remembered unless you reminded me. I didn't even read your responses while editing my posts. Honestly, I think I was still editing even before you responded.

    Yes, you could be completely correct about Dooku already being a metaphor for Dracula. However, I still think that his character is just a hint of the real ancient fear. If you are right, then there is probably nothing else to say about the subject.

    However, I still believe that the ancient fear is immortal, and therefore might have ties to a Dracula type character. He may be staying alive by sucking up the force energy of force sensitives, which might be why Driver and/or Inquisitors might hunt them down.
     
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    I like the idea of an evil seducer, like Dracula was, all poise and manners. Perhaps Gwen Christie is going to seduce Luke, Mara Jade style.
     
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    ....he's old enough to be her father....

    Then again this IS Star Wars.
     
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    Btw gpawn, I was really agreeing with your premise. I think Lucas always had some sort of Dracula style theme to his bad guys.

    I'm just not sure how far that goes or could be taken.
     
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    If only Woody Allen was directing...(epic fail)
     
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    Sigh now why did it try to say I reported your post when I commended it?
     
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    Maybe Daisy will get seduced somehow but she doesn't give in?
     
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    Some impaling of Gungans and Ewoks could generate goodwill...

    (I kid, I kid.)
     
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    I like it! Especially if she is seduced romantically, and not through the desire for more power. It's something that I would not expect from a Star Wars film, especially if the villain is completely treacherous. That idea, if executed properly, could certainly cause an emotional response from the audience.
     
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    Yeah, like she gets used by a villain to get what he wants. It would definitely something she would learn from as the movies go on.
     
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