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SPECULATION Editing James Earl Jones' Voice in Rogue One?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by tm0910196, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. tm0910196

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    Little late to the replying party, but yes, that is an insightful point. It helps make sense of minor alterations outside of the "production limitations" realm. :p

    @JeffG. , interesting. Perhaps Ben Burtt's on Rogue One after all!
     
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    I'm not at all concerned about the sound design portion of Vader's voice. Far more "concerned," if you can call it that, with the performance. James Earl Jones is awesome, and he's been fantastic in Rebels. But think back to ANH Vader. He actually yelled in that movie. He was much more energetic vocally, before they realized how effective that character was being sinister and cold. And like someone else said, the man's now 85 which I attribute, at least in part, to why we haven't seen that same energy in Rebels.

    I'm not anticipating a poor performance. Not in the least. But sound design is not a hit or miss thing that we should be concerned about imo. Vader fitting in with ANH is going to fall on the performance.

    (And, of course, we don't even know his role in the movie yet.)
     
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    This is a very insightful point as well. All the Vader voice work in Rebels is excellent, as you say, but even compared to The Empire Strikes Back, it takes "deliberate" to a completely new level a lot of times. Listen to Vader talk to Ahsoka in Twilight of the Apprentice for the clearest example of this. In any case, I doubt we'll get anything like his scenes on the Tantive IV.
     
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    I hope his voice sounds better than Rebels..
     
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    I wouldn't say it sounded bad in Rebels, but it certainly did sound different than we've heard in the movies thus far, which may be something worth addressing for consistency's sake.
     
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    I don't think it's worth addressing at all. Let him continue doing the voice until he physically can't anymore, and then bring in Matt Sloan to take over. At least Lucasfilm know how to mix his voice unlike Dice.

    We should also remember Rogue One has a bigger budget and more time to be completed, so there are less limitations when it comes to the final product. Vader's voice in Rogue One will most likely be superior to that of Rebels.
     
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    That's my thinking as well. I think a more "polished" voice is a given for a full film, whether we're happy with the Rebels voice or not. And honestly, if it did sound just like the Rebels version, I doubt most people would notice thanks to the live action Vader. If you watch Vader from the original trilogy with Rebels voice work over it, the difference that's there is a lot less apparent. It may be accentuated due to his cartoon appearance within the show.
     
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    As I mentioned several posts ago, they can justify the change in his voice from Rebels to R1/ANH due to the damage Ahsoka inflicted on his mask. It didn't damage the modulator, but I guess they can argue they had to replace the whole mask with a new modulator included.
     
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    I think the Rebels mention is important. Personally, I wasn't too pleased with his voice in that show. There was something about the flange/chorus effects they put on it that just sounded a bit too processed to me. They were going for the Return of the Jedi sound (which is when he sounds the best), but missed it. But I don't for a moment think that will be repeated in Rogue One.
     
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    Interesting perspective. My initial reaction was just the opposite, actually (i.e., that it didn't sound processed enough and basically just sounded like Jones' voice with an underdone effect layered over it). I hadn't heard that about trying for the ROTJ sound. But I agree, if that was what they wanted to do, it didn't really work. As far as "processed" goes, I've personally always thought he sounded best in The Empire Strikes Back, and I suppose that may be where my sense of comparison comes from. In TESB, there's a remarkable and just slightly echoing "clarity" to everything he says, if that makes sense, with the voice, and not the effect, predominating - but the effect is still entirely there. In ROTJ, it feels like they amped up the "echo" and backed off on the clarity just a tad (same with Ep. 3). In Rebels, it feels like there's all clarity and almost no "echo" - along with the slower delivery of the lines.

    Wow, I can't believe I went through all that. :p
     
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    Basically people get used to remembering the same dialogue of Vader over and over throughout the years by watching the movies over and over again and any new dialogue sounds odd because they aren't used to it yet. The older stuff is so burned into people's memory, anything new sounds odd.
     
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    exactly........ an even a lot of us remember hearing him in good old MONO or plain old stereo...... on VHS or Beta, lol
     
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    Agreed the original sounds still stick with me.
     
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    These posts remind me, someone on YouTube put together three different videos, each one 3-5 minutes long, compiling/singaling out all of Darth Vader's lines in each OT movie (see below). The interesting thing about this is, I didn't really realize before watching everything straight through just how distinct Vader really sounded in A New Hope. His lines are delivered a lot faster, the voice sounds less deep, and to a noticeable extent, he lacks some of the imposing (vocal and physical) presence of the next two movies. See for yourselves. I don't think it's my imagination. :)

    A New Hope:



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    Now, what does this tell me about Rogue One? Well, for one thing, Vader's voice in A New Hope sounds more like the Rebels voice than I originally realized, so maybe them doing things similarly to the Rebels style would be a good thing. Secondly, it makes me wonder if they'll have asked Jones to read the lines with the faster pace of A New Hope. As mentioned, he used the more deliberate style throughout Rebels, but anything is possible. Judging from the latest trailer, even if it's only one little moment, Vader strides rather quickly toward Krennic, possibly echoing his faster walking pace throughout A New Hope. It will be interesting if the voice work is the same way.
     
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    "Then you'll die braver than most" line in Rebels is already one of, if not my FAVORITE Vader line. I have no worries at all.
     
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    James Earl Jones has the best voice ever. It sounds perfect in everything he has ever done. :)
     
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    Re: an earlier point from @AstromechRecords and @JeffG. about Ben Burtt vs Matthew Wood doing the voice editing....I just re-watched the Star Wars Celebration stuff, and when Gareth Edwards mentioned working with James Earl Jones, he specifically mentioned, "We were with Matt Wood, you know, at Skywalker sound..."

    So I think as a final capper on this speculation, we can expect the Rebels voice, maybe slightly more polished with a full film's budget.
     
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    So I just remembered I had made this thread, and I'm curious: what did people think of JEJ's voice in Rogue One? I liked it a lot better than Rebels, personally. I thought the editors nailed the "movie sound" of his voice in a way that Rebels simply didn't. I liked JEJ in Rebels, as I posted earlier in this thread, but it had a certain monotonous quality to it a lot of the time, and the "effect" seemed off.

    The performance in Rogue One sounded less "monotone" than a lot of Rebels did, too, editing aside. There was greater intonation. Whether this was a deliberate attempt by Gareth Edwards to capture Vader's speaking style in A New Hope, I can't say, but the Vader and Krennic scene had more life to it than I expected to hear after Rebels. The lines "You seem unsettled" and "You were not summoned here to grovel, Director Krennic!" sounded like they could come straight out of the OT.
     
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    It was great having him back to reprise the voice role, he never sounded better.
     
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    I thought Vader sounded kind of like Old Man Cyborg, with his more gravelly sounding voice. It sounds like he's been spending too much time yelling at those rebel kids to get off his lawn. ;)

    Joking aside, he did sound a bit older, but that's to be expected with someone of JEJ's age. Vader was probably one of my favorite things in the movie, which is saying something, because I liked most of the movie!
     
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