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SPECULATION Elements that will tie the trilogies together

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Trevor, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. Trevor

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    So, JJ has been noted as saying that the last movie in this latest trilogy will have elements in it that will tie all three trilogies together.

    I personally would like to see tangible elements like:

    1. Having Rey (or even Kylo) visit Coruscant and/or Tatooine to see the homestead or even the old Jedi temple.
    2. A visit to Padme's grave and/or to SEE Shmi's grave.
    3. Hey, a drink in the Mos Eisly Cantina at the same table where Luke initially met Han.

    The list goes on...

    If there were to be places, people, planets, etc placed in the last installment, what would you feel could/should/would serve as the best ties to all three trilogies, and how should they be used.

    This is where your imaginations and logical deductions come into play....what would be best to stitch it all together and how?
     
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    + Mustafar. Anakin fell and Vader was born there, so I think it would be cool if Kylo Ren falls and Ben Solo rises there too. The whole idea of Mustafar is just awesome to me. You could show a destroyed Vader's castle, some KOR action and Kylo battling Rey.

    This is my best pick for tying everything together. => Kylo's fate will be decided there where Anakin's fate was also decided. #Poetry
     
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    ....and in the end while Kylo is beaten (knowing he's beaten) and on his knees knowing his end is near...have Anakin's FG appear to him and say; "Ben...Ben, this is why...do you see now?" and have Ben/Kylo look at him with tears streaming down his face, as suddenly every Jedi FG that had fallen because of him faintly appear behind Anakin in the background...


    Sorry...just got lost in the scene there... :)
     
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    I actually hope Kylo beats Rey. Careful! I'm quoting myself now:
    Anakin's force ghost should wander around in Vader's castle like, well, a ghost. xD
     
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    I'd love for Rey to visit Dagobah. Not to train or anything but just a feeling of being drawn there and learns something. Maybe Obi Wan decides to show up and gives advice
     
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    To truly tie the trilogies together, they need to do more than simply visit PT or OT locations imo. Wherever they go needs to have significance to the main characters of the ST, not just to viewers who want a nostalgia trip.

    Personally, I would love Anakin to speak with Kylo. Obi-wan to make an appearance as well.

    I really don't want to mention that other guy that cheated death... but.. :p
     
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    I was just about to give you a great, until I read the last half of your post.

    I completely agree with your assessment of locations. I am not, however, a fan of FG appearances beyond Luke.

    I would stick to places of significance, historical importance within the SW universe. I think more than the place, is the ideas behind those places, those conflicts and the wisdom imparted by Jedi of old. I can't imagine a scenario where I wouldn't find a FG Anakin apparition somewhat corny, contrived and disappointing. However, a hologram could maybe work. I personally like the idea of FG only being visible to force users with a direct and deep bond with said FG. That's just my feelings on it though, I'm sure this issue is likely divisive among much of the fandom as well.
     
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    Aliens, please, more aliens from all eras and planets.
     
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    It depends on what is meant with "elements in IX that will tie all three trilogies together". If by that we mean a major reveal or big conclusion that will address some missing piece of the puzzle left hanging from the PT and the OT, or some surprise involving the previous trilogies that will culminate in some significant and grand finale, that's one thing. If it's nods, and references, revisits and the natural continuation of threads hanging in there from the previous trilogies, than it's another thing.

    In other words, IX may be the third act of a three trilogy play, and "everything" will be resolved, explained and tied together there, which seems too big of a task for just one movie. Or, it may be just references, nods, revisits and continuation of the events around the Skywalker family.

    I would say that TLJ already has plenty of references to the PT. All that Luke talk with Rey about the fall of the Jedi, Sidious coming to power and the redeeming of Anakin, it basically summarizes the PT (and some significant parts of the OT) in a few lines of dialog. TFA ties things more directly with the OT. Leaving more questions for sure, but still has plenty of nods and references to the OT. What happened with Han, Leia (Luke we did not know).

    So, for me personally, I guess they will touch on the "Balance of the Force" subject, which seems to be the big thing hanging around since the PT days. Has balanced been finally restored? Does it come and go in cycles, and the ST is just one more iteration, or something big and different will happen now?

    The other subject is the Skywalkers themselves, of course. The three trilogies are all about the Skywalkers, and the force, and the Sith. But it's centered on the Skywalkers. So, perhaps some reveal will be made here that will "tie everything together".

    Or, it's just nods, references and the final fate of the Skywalkers. Personaly, I don't see this "tying all trilogies together" as the need to revisit people and locations from the PT and OT. I'd very much prefer some big reveal, conclusion and finale than just having us revisit old places. But nothing against that of course :) It's always cool to see references to old places.
     
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    We have strong indications that we might return to Yavin4, which would be great and very coming-full-circle'y. A Rey & Kylo showdown or chase on Mustafar would be great as well.

    More importantly, however, if the trilogies are really going to be tied together, we need the stories to connect and inform one another; revisiting locations wouldn't be enough. There are loads of story points that could come back in 9, as themes and background flavor if not fully fledged arcs, including: a return of Battle droids and/or clones (possibly only as a future threat that FO has invested in), Plaigeus (hopefully not as a sudden, 11th hour villain, but more as contextual exposition, if at all), slaves of Tatooine and Naboo royalty (which SW is technically rooted in), rise of the republic (again), Trade Fed etc (siding with the Resistance this time?), Legacy of Leia and/or Padme inspiring victory/support for the Resistance, Death Star3 (I know, we'd all hate that but it could technically be used again to tie it all together - hopefully not, though), a Palpatine plot somehow (seems unlikely because of the contingency, but still), explanation of Anakin's immaculate conception, a strong R2-D2 arc, space gangsters & star cowboys (more as a theme, really), Yoda having an important role, return of the/a jedi order (probably as an aftermath to the whole thing), and many many things beside.

    By the Whills! I'm so stoked for 9 :-D
     
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    I think it’s likely that the element to tie things together is R2. Maybe some encoded information involving Anakin and Padme deep in the robot’s mysterious archive.
     
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    Endor. Ever since seeing the concept art for TFA, where characters dive into a lake, to retrieve something from the sunken Emperor's throne room, I'm interested in seeing something like that.

    Maybe in ep9, characters from both sides learn there's a secret buried there, which could turn the tide of the battle. So it's gonna be a cat and mouse game in a sunken, Rapture-like (Bioshock) environment to retrieve said secret. There might even be a dark side presence there, perhaps even a remnant of ol' Sheev himself, which could try to influence both Rey and Ben during their quest.

    Hell, let's throw in some of those Palpatine bots, tying the films to something seen in Shattered Empire, Battlefront 2 and the Aftermath trilogy. Maybe through this, we get some exposition about Palpatine's Contingency plan, which eventually gave rise to the First Order.


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    Even better...have Kylo and Rey have a final battle in the former counsel room of the former Jedi temple on Curoscant, where (regardless of what happens during the battle) have Kylo then repent and walk away (or whatever), but it would be poetry to me to have Kylos reign of terror end in that room.......where Anakins began when he was christened by the Emporer as "Darth Vader".
     
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    I think that to truly tie the Sagas together, this has to focus more about the Force (Rey vs Kylo) then the War (Resistance vs First Order).

    What made ROTJ unique wasn’t the Rebels defeating the Empire, it was Luke sacrificing himself to redeem his father. A standard blockbuster would have focused on the big story and give the fans a rebel victory. But that’s too easy and predictable (like 99% of most blockbusters these days).

    Lucas sometimes doesn’t get enough credit for telling a different story then your average blockbuster as the real read meat is the personal story which is a metaphor for the big story.

    I still feel if JJ can craft some ending that essentially balances the force (maybe Rey and Kylo both die for the greater good), then that will be a metaphor for peace after 9 movies. If this movie ends with something that happened in the OT/PT regarding the characters or the macro story, then this Trilogy will just be an epilogue to 1-6 and not a true 1-9 story arc.
     
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    I re-read what you wrote 3 times.....and you're exactly right.

    It DOES seem as though we've strayed into the larger story of the war if you think about it...and I hadn't, until now. This saga is about the Force and the relationship of the Skywalker family line TO it...it is their story.

    Think about it:

    In the PT, we met Anakin, and while we watched that war unfold all around, the focus was on him and his immediate family and relationships...and his relationship with the Force that ended with his transformation into Vader BECAUSE of his relationship with the Force and how he chose to see it, use it, and fully understand it.

    In the OT we met Anakin's son Luke, which whom that trilogy was focused on...it was about him, as the previous one was about his father. We watched him evolve into a Jedi, and witnessed HIS relationship with the Force and with his father unfold on the screen three times until the end where he had fully become a Jedi (like his father before him) and withstood the trials and tribulations of his journey to reach that point, while at the same time coming to terms with the history of his family.

    Now we've gotten the ST which seems to be primarily focused on the war. We've got Kylo/Ben, whom is a Skywalker/Solo and we've got Rey (whom I'll get to later), but their stories only seem to be incidental to the bigger story of the war and their positions within it...almost as if they're just players in a wargame instead of really telling their stories effectively, if you think about it.

    I'm almost to a point where I think that the time to fully flesh out the character journey of the main Force users has run entirely too thin, and unless the last movie is a full three hours long and full of gasping reveals and plot twists that they can't fully end this trilogy with a nice ribbon on top and make it feel complete and not rushed in the end.

    But I digress....

    If we've learned any lessons (knowingly or otherwise) from the previous trilogies alone, we've learned that our previously rooted main characters (Anakin and Luke) have had to learn to come to terms with their family history and their individual actions, and in this trilogy we've seen some of that, but something has to happen in this next movie to once again solve that repeated equation.

    The only way that that Kylo is going to come to terms with his past is to be faced with it....DIRECTLY, and as much as some hate it, I think that's almost going to have to be a visit from Anakin himself, because he won't listen to Luke as we know. He's so damned fixated on Vader, that (in my mind) it's the only way to shake him loose and make him SEE what's happening...by seeing "Vader".

    Maybe have him see some of the holo-recordings of Anakin's raid on the Jedi temple...killing younglings...while having Anakin narrate HIS story and explain to Kylo that he's missed the point...not gotten the entire story....and thusly failed the lesson, perhaps by no fault of his own...but yet the fact remains...perhaps devastating Kylo.

    He's GOING to have to be faced with the past, in his face, and in Technicolor, to make him understand. I don't believe (for a second) that he's going to die in this trilogy...not going to happen. I believe that he's either going to fall further into the darkness (which I think is most likely) just like Anakin did, and be back for the next trilogy as Anakin/Vader was, OR he's going to be humiliated and walk away to live in seclusion and carrying the weight of his failings on his shoulders until we see him in the next trilogy. But I honestly and am in firm belief that he's going to get a visit from Anakin.

    Now Rey....[sigh] this one...is tough....

    Rey AND Kylo/Ben are sharing center stage in this trilogy....that's about the Skywalker family, and it makes little sense to me that Rey is just a "nobody". If I personally reflect on their family history (yes, I'm going there) I consider that Anakin's children were hidden from him and he didn't know about them.

    Yes, I'm getting to the main topic, just bear with me...

    I consider that Rey was abandoned on Jakku by her parents, and I think it was to hide her, not getting "drinking money", because if that were true, it'd just be lazy and cheap story telling, and I STILL have not dismissed (because of the aforementioned) that she's not Luke's daughter. To me there is no other reason why she has a connection to him...none, and while she has no idea who she is, LUKE has no idea who she is, because he can't sense her thoughts about something she has no idea of...therefore he doesn't know either.

    With that being said; It would seem too cheap and easy that Rey will have to come to terms with her past...that she had drunks for parents that just left her...nah. "I" think that she's going to have to come to terms that she's the daughter of the greatest Jedi that seemingly lost his way...that her grandfather was Darth Vader...and her cousin has fallen into the darkness while emulating the fallen Jedi....and "that cousin" is someone that she reviles...they're both going to have to come to terms with it...and their family history.

    I was never a "huge" EU fan, but I keep going back to the Jedi children of the Leia and Luke and THEIR relationships to one another and to the Force, and I think we're going to see that with perhaps the "Luke Skywalker is your father" reveal in act three...to be built upon in the next trilogy.

    Again I digress somewhat...

    If we're to tell the story as it has been told in the previous trilogies about this family, we're going to have to see a "coming to terms" with the past, and I personally think that Rey and Kylo need some "in your face" examples and confrontations from the past...in person, and I predict that Kylo will fall farther down the hole like Anakin did in the PT (because of what Anakin shows him personally) only to come back in the next trilogy either more unhinged because he's so angry that he failed, or (as before) reclusive.

    On the other side of the coin; Rey will be faced with her revealed genealogy, and have to come to terms with the fact that she never knew her family, and now Kylo is all she has...and must face that fact.

    None of this is going to happen without some reveals from the past, the appearances from those from the past, and probably visits to places from the past. This next trilogy has to be MORE FOCUSED on the two main characters and the past, instead of the ongoing war and their place in it.
     
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    A lot of great points! I always looked at SW as a character study, and that’s what makes it unique compared to the standard blockbuster. That’s why I pull my hair out when fans get caught up in debating Death Star 2, Starkiller Base, Tracking Hyperspace, etc. Those are all what I call ‘backround’ action plot points that fill out the movie cause you can’t have a 2 hour drama.

    Why I continue to keep coming back to this franchise is the characters and their story. I think the Rey and Kylo ‘light and dark’ dynamic is really interesting and I HOPE it is really explored in Episode 9 and is the MAIN story/theme. The resistance vs First Order should the ‘backround’ action plot point and I’m cool with that. But if the main story is essentially the Resistance vs First Order and the victory for the good guys, then I’ll be severely disappointed with Episode 9 because there will be no depth to the story like ROTJ when it was really all about Luke/Vader, not Death Star 2.
     
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    Like so many others, I too was up for Ben and Rey to be brothers, or cousins. My hope was for them to be brothers. However, TLJ has gone in a different direction, so I think that ship has sailed a long time ago. Nothing is impossible though, so there can still be twists and reveals in IX about this. If that comes good, but personaly I've come to terms with it, so I choose to believe that what we got in TLJ is the truth.

    You and Trevor raise great points about the PT and OT being centered in a main protagonist, and his relation with the force. Anakin in the PT and Luke in the OT. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that Ben is the next man in the ST, although this time he shares the stage. While Anakin was good at heart and went down and Luke was also good at heart and didn't go down and brought his father up, we found a torn protagonist in the beginning of the ST. Ben is still torn in TLJ but we feel a pull to the light. What will happen to him in IX is a complete mystery at this point.

    What is new in ST is the inclusion of a co-protagonist. Many assume Rey is the main protagonist, but is she? Well, by the sheer numbers alone, yes, she is. She has roughly double the screen time in both TFA and TLJ, so there's little doubt she's the main character of the trilogy so far. So, being this the Skywalker saga consisting of 3 trilogies your points about Rey having more to do with the Skywalkers are sound.

    However, consider this. In Episode I it was not Anakin who had more screen time, it was Qui-Gon Jinn (35.30m vs 23.30m). Could something like this happen in IX? Could Ben have more screen time than Rey in the last movie? And if so, what was Rey's part in the ST and in the Skywalkers saga as a whole? Well, first of all, she is the Awakening of the force itself. The opposite to Kylo, the anti-protagonist pattern we see in many other films. The opposites face each other, they interact and then either they both die or join. I suspect that's what we'll get here. Kylo is an anomaly. Rey is the Force response to this anomaly (and we could say an anomaly on herself). A super force wielder, Kylo, was left alone in the universe without capable opposition. Rey's purpose is to confront Kylo and the two will have to come to terms, whatever that means in the end.

    So, I see no need to go back to the cousins or brothers path. As I said, I was on that boat myself, but I think that ship has sailed, and now we must explore what comes ahead. The PT was centered on Anakin, the OT was centered on Luke. The ST is bipolarized around two characters, Rey and Ben. Rey was the main protagonist in both TFA and TLJ, I'd say more in TFA. In IX it may be Ben to get the center stage again. And even if he doesn't, and we still get Rey to be the main protagonist, she served as the tool and catalyst of the ST to help Luke finish his hero journey towards becoming the great Master Jedi of non-confrontation and self sacrifice and to possibly help redeem Ben or at least help him put an end to his misery. Leia will get her last stand, and the Skywalkers tale will be over. Rey and friends will continue to the new trilogy. Or, we'll get a completely clean slate for the next trilogy, but I doubt it.
     
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    Maybe it's mere coincidence, but Natalie Portman was just spotted in London...where IX is currently being filmed.

     
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    That would be quite a shocker if she actually had any part of IX given her feelings about the PT. I will go with mere coincidence but will be happy to be wrong.
     
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