Elements we can expect from the Sequel Trilogy

TheFettMan · Oct 26, 2014

SPOILER(maybe):
It's speculative which is something I don't like to indulge in, but what if...
Clues to EP7's plot & storyline are in TESB and ROTJ? Hmmm?
I was thinking about the often maligned "Magic Tree" scene in TESB where Luke sees Vader then swipes his light saber, knocking Vader's helmet to the ground, revealing: LUKE'S face!
What if that strange vision(scene) was fore-shadowing of later(30 years later) events in his life?
Or what if the younger main characters of EP7 search out Luke, find out the "Luke Skywalker" is really evil & there is a sinister plan disrupting the whole fragile galaxy BUT in a 3rd act/climax twist it's revealed Luke isn't Luke Skywalker at all but a fake cyborg/clone! The REAL Luke is imprisoned or in exile and must come back to clear his name or face off against the evil forces bent on total control of the galaxy. This plot could set up EP8 or resolve the mystery of why Luke went AWOL or was considered a menace.
It's a lot to take in but when you process it all, it blends into the OT scenes/dialogue.

TIDMADT · Oct 26, 2014

TheFettMan said: ↑

SPOILER(maybe):
It's speculative which is something I don't like to indulge in, but what if...
Clues to EP7's plot & storyline are in TESB and ROTJ? Hmmm?
I was thinking about the often maligned "Magic Tree" scene in TESB where Luke sees Vader then swipes his light saber, knocking Vader's helmet to the ground, revealing: LUKE'S face!
What if that strange vision(scene) was fore-shadowing of later(30 years later) events in his life?
Or what if the younger main characters of EP7 search out Luke, find out the "Luke Skywalker" is really evil & there is a sinister plan disrupting the whole fragile galaxy BUT in a 3rd act/climax twist it's revealed Luke isn't Luke Skywalker at all but a fake cyborg/clone! The REAL Luke is imprisoned or in exile and must come back to clear his name or face off against the evil forces bent on total control of the galaxy. This plot could set up EP8 or resolve the mystery of why Luke went AWOL or was considered a menace.
It's a lot to take in but when you process it all, it blends into the OT scenes/dialogue.
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Interesting... at first, I was laughing at your opening line, "but what if...Clues to EP7's plot & storyline are in TESB and ROTJ?" I thought, duh... of course what happened is gonna be a gateway to what will happen...

But, now that you mention it... yeah, that does kinda fit. I do think that, at the time, it meant no more than, "if you give in to anger you will become that which you seek to overcome" The way you put it though... if you look at my Zorro theory, you will see that I say something similar in that Luke becomes more Vaderesque, but he is not evil...

MarsPhoenix · Oct 28, 2014

Follow me. I know I posted another "Vader" thread not long ago, but I think this deserves its own.

Facts:

Vader is not only a cashable character for Disney, he is CENTRAL to the Star Wars Saga. How can JJ & Co make a dead character the center of Episode VII.

My theory is, not only Vader plays an important role in Episode VII, he is the basis of the whole plot.

Redeemed in Return Of The Jedi; Vader returned as jedi Anakin Skywalker and overthrown the Emperor, thus, left TWO characters in legacy before Episode VII begins. One character is Anakin Skywalker, the fallen Jedi that saved the galaxy from the Sith Emperor (A secret well kept and maybe only Luke knows about it), the other: Darth Vader, lord of the Sith murderer, Jedi hunter, killed at the hands of Rebels.

One of the two characters (VADER) is seen as a hero of the Empire by nostalgic and obsessed loyalists. He was one of the many who brought order to the galaxy by ending the Clone Wars and building the Empire. He is like Adolf Hitler to young neo-nazis that want to become like him. One (Driver?), force sensitive?!?, may be obsessed by Vader and wants to become like him.

The other character, Anakin, is a force ghost. What if Anakin's ghost is the one that pull back from or prevent Luke from falling to the dark side. What if Anakin plays a role, in Episode VII, to destroy what the legacy of Vader created on the other side (Driver?, something else).

I really see an Anakin vs Vader (not physically but, the two Legacies) confronting at the end of this episode.

Voxx · Oct 28, 2014

MarsPhoenix said: ↑

Follow me. I know I posted another "Vader" thread not long ago, but I think this deserves its own.

Facts:

Vader is not only a cashable character for Disney, he is CENTRAL to the Star Wars Saga. How can JJ & Co make a dead character the center of Episode VII.

My theory is, not only Vader plays an important role in Episode VII, he is the basis of the whole plot.

Redeemed in Return Of The Jedi; Vader returned as jedi Anakin Skywalker and overthrown the Emperor, thus, left TWO characters in legacy before Episode VII begins. One character is Anakin Skywalker, the fallen Jedi that saved the galaxy from the Sith Emperor (A secret well kept and maybe only Luke knows about it), the other: Darth Vader, lord of the Sith murderer, Jedi hunter, killed at the hands of Rebels.

One of the two characters (VADER) is seen as a hero of the Empire by nostalgic and obsessed loyalists. He was one of the many who brought order to the galaxy by ending the Clone Wars and building the Empire. He is like Adolf Hitler to young neo-nazis that want to become like him. One (Driver?), force sensitive?!?, may be obsessed by Vader and wants to become like him.

The other character, Anakin, is a force ghost. What if Anakin's ghost is the one that pull back from or prevent Luke from falling to the dark side. What if Anakin plays a role, in Episode VII, to destroy what the legacy of Vader created on the other side (Driver?, something else).

I really see an Anakin vs Vader (not physically but, the two Legacies) confronting at the end of this episode.
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I merged this thread with the Elements of the Sequel Trilogy thread, seemed like a better fit for it.

WookieeMonster · Oct 29, 2014

TIDMADT said: ↑

In order to get some idea of what we can expect from the new trilogy, we can take a look at how the first two trilogies were put together, and use those as a guide to predict what we might find in the third.

First of all, there is going to be a war. The first trilogy was about the civil war with the Separatists which grew into the Clone Wars. The second trilogy was about the Rebellion. In both cases, the war was the overall arc for that trilogy, with the prequels spanning from the Trade Federation expanding their influence to the formation of the Empire, which brought the war to a close. The second trilogy began with the Rebellion scoring its first major victory to the destruction of the second Death Star. Whatever the state of the galaxy is at the beginning of the films, we can expect to see a major event that will herald the beginning of conflict, and that conflict will last until the close of the third film.

The second is the Skywalker Saga. The first trilogy was focused on Anakin, and while he persisted through the second trilogy (in the form of Vader) the second was focused on Luke. Claiming that the entire six episodes was the story of the fall and redemption of Anakin is overly naive, as the second trilogy was more about Luke's rise, much as the first was the story of Anakin's rise. In a similar fashion, I think we will see the third trilogy having Luke with the span, but the focus will be on the next Skywalker.

This brings us to what we can expect the overall plot of the next trilogy to be. In the first trilogy, we saw Anakin succumb to a tragic flaw. In the second trilogy, we see Luke resist that flaw, and redeem his father. To determine what comes next, we need to look at the mythological cycle laid out by Joseph Campbell.

Anakin's journey is one of failure. His mother, Shmi, is the virginal well from which our hero springs forth. But Anakin is failed by every father figure he has. First, Qui Gon fails to free his mother when he frees Anakin. Finally, Qui Gon commits the ultimate failure... he dies. Kenobi failed to prevent Qui Gon's death. He then failed to prevent Shmi's death. Ultimately, he failed to prepare Anakin to face these events. The failure of Anakin's father figures left him open to the corrupting influence of the anti-father, Palpatine.

Luke fulfills his father's legacy (I am a Jedi... like my father) and helps slay not only the negative aspects of his father, but helps the father find redemption through the slaying of the anti-father Palpatine. When he does this, he receives the blessings of the father (Tell your sister you were right... You were right...) When this happens, Luke is heralded as the Redeemer. The Son has fought the Father, and the Father has become the Son again.

The cycle repeats, with good defeating evil, and good becoming evil. Anakin, the hero, became the tyrant. We will, I believe, see Luke avoid this by making the sacrifice and crucifying himself. It is no coincidence that Luke found the path to becoming the Redeemer through Kenobi. Kenobi failed to save Anakin, and found his redemption when he sacrificed himself to save Luke. Through this, Luke found the way to save his father, and Kenobi's failure was negated.

This brings us to the prophecy of the Chosen One... the one who will "bring balance to the Force". What, exactly, does that mean?

The rift within the Force was created when the Sith Brotherhood of Darkness was established by rogue Jedi who believed that the true power of the Force lay in the dark side, and that the denial of that power was a waste. Where the Sith act for personal gain, the Jedi order acted to preserve the Republic. One path led to chaos, the other to stagnation. Both paths, ultimately, failed.

I have spoken before of the fact that the Jedi order was corrupt. Rejecting emotional attachment as a path to lust and greed, they lost their connection to the universe they sought to protect. Where they began as the guardians of the Republic, they became its caretakers. They became so involved with the why of things being done that they lost sight of what was being done, that the absolutes of law and order overcame justice and mercy. In the end, they became the guardians of the very cancer that would consume them, and ultimately the only path that was left for their survival (the assassination of Palpatine, rather than his arrest) violated the very ethics on which they were based.

In the PT, Qui Gon spoke of the Living Force, a philosophy which relied on instinct and focused on a sensitivity to living things. It focused on the here and now. This differs from the philosophy of a Unifying Force, which focused more on one's actions opening the path to future possibilities and leading to the fulfillment of destiny.

Somewhere between the Light and Dark side of the Force, between the Living and Unifying philosophies, is a middle pathway. The Dark side of the Force leads to chaos and destruction, the Light side to stagnation. The Living Force focuses on the here and now, the Unifying Force on the future. In the final confrontation with the Emperor, Luke opens himself up to the Dark Side and does not fall.

What we witness in those moments is not just the rebirth of the Republic, but the Return of the Jedi... the true Jedi order.

To heal the rift, to become the Chosen One, one must embrace this path. They must find the balance between the Living and the Unifying philosophies, and between the Light and Dark sides of the Force.

I believe we will see a war with the Sith, I believe we will see Luke sacrifice, and I believe a Skywalker will heal the rift between the Jedi and the Sith, and bring true Balance to the Force.
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I think the ST is gonna play out in many ways like the PT. Which is interesting cuz of how many people dislike the PT. Which is why I posted about the role of the Stormtrooper. Now Stormtroopers are the coolest looking bad guy army.........but I can almost see them serving the Republic again in the ST. Cool post \m/

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