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End of Kanan, Ezra & Ahsoka

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Canadian Ronin, May 17, 2017.

  1. Canadian Ronin

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    How will Kana, Ezra and *sigh* Ahsoka (cause we know Filoni just can't get away from his favourite pet characters) be dealt with by the end of Rebels?

    One of the more interesting (and I would say best) things about Rebels is that is takes place in the middle of a generational story. We knew right from the start that because Kanan and Ezra (later Ahsoka) are Jedi, and by the time of the OT the Jedi are all gone that they aren't heading to a happy ending. We, the audience, allow ourselves to get to know these characters, care about these characters, become invested in these characters even though we know they are heading toward a cliff. So how do you think and/or would you like to see their stories end in Rebels?

    *Note - Please don't bring up any "Kanan and/or Ezra could still be alive etc...." BS arguments. The entire point of the OT is that everything comes down to 1 Jedi, and 1 Jedi only. Luke. Once we introduce other Jedi characters (Kanan, Ezra, Ahsoka etc...) into the mix that story is underminded. I know some people will want to bring up this angle - to those people. You're wrong, learn to let go. That's not what this thread is about.
     
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    This is a Disney show, targeted at kids (primarily). They will not kill the main character of the series - Ezra. Learn to let that go.

    Disney will have to come up with a creative way to have both of our statements be true. I'm just hoping the way they choose is acceptable to most.
     
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    You may consider it a BS argument but that still doesn't mean those theories are no longer valid my friend. When you look at the Jedi and the Sith, you must always keep in mind that those two factions are just belief systems. When you are a Jedi you follow their teachings and way of life yet what happens when you start seeing things in a different way or don't agree with the way the order is going? The Lost 20 did this and the same could be said of Ahsoka. Who then could tell you that you could never ever build a lightsaber if you don't want to be a Jedi?

    Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka could easily just walk away with different ideals and that wouldn't contradict anything in the movies. Just look at the character Maz Kanata and you will know what I mean. She was alive and well long before the PT and the OT and she knows alot about the Force. She could have easily helped Luke ALOT yet who knows were she was or what she was doing during those events and the same could be said for these characters. The SW galaxy is HUGE and all the story tellers have to do is give the characters from Rebels a good reason to be in the far outskirts of the galaxy during the events of the OT and that's it. If Ben Kenobi lived right under the Empire's nose while he kept a close watch of Darth Vader's son of all people and he wasn't found till he decided to reveal himself, do you really think it wouldn't be credible if the Rebels crew were in a distant part of the galaxy? Heck they can even give us a story arc that Kanan, Ezra or Ahsoka felt Snoke in the Force and that would explain why they went away. This would tie Rebels perfectly with TFA without having to kill any of the characters and without ruining the events of the movies.
     
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    First, nice to see such a high reading level on the forum.

    Second, by you logic, they'd never kill Han.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 17, 2017, Original Post Date: May 17, 2017 ---
    Well I'd say they aren't because moving forward that way is a horrbile idea that underminds the OT. HOWEVER just because I wanted/hoped to talk about how they'd dealt without doing that to the OT doesn't in and of itself invalidate those theories. Thats like saying when someone says "I want chicken tonight" they are invalidating all other foods.

    However since basic concepts like this are hard.........these 3 characters "just walking away" doesn't solve the issue and is horrible writing. First it would completely and totally agains their character to leave their friens and the rebellion behind to fight the Empire without them. Second, it doesn't solve the issue of Luke not really being on his own - once the audience can say "ya but Luke could........" you kill the entire point of his story to gain nothing other then some fuzzy feelings of some fans who refuse to let go of characters when their story has to logically end.
     
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    Kanan is the easy part he will probably die protecting ether Ezra or the rest of the ghost crew.
    Ezra he could also die protecting the rest of the crew or something so traumatic happens to him that he gives up on his training as he is not yet a Jedi so technically Yoda wouldn't be lying to Luke & yes I know that a weak argument but this is a kids cartoon so killing of two main characters seams a bit extreme.
    As for Ashoka Iam not sure she is still alive but this will be clearer in season 4 & even if she is she is by her own admission not a Jedi but if she is then it should be Vader or maybe the Emperor who finally kills her.
     
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    I understand what you mean my friend but seeing as how things are playing out in the ST I wouldn't count out any of those theories. I would NEVER have thought that someone like Han or Luke would leave their friends, family and the rebellion behind to fight the Empire/New Order without them yet there we have it.
     
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    Those didn't undermind the story that already been told to that point.
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    I wonder if they might end up having Kanan and Ezra kill each other (or Ezra kills Kanan, one of the other crew members kills him etc.... something like that). They've hinted in hte past that Ezra might be temped by the Darkside.....what if he ends up going to far and the two come to blows.
     
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    They all become Force Wolves and chase Rabbits and Chickens the rest of their lives. The End.
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    If Ezra is going to the Dark side, then killing Kanan (his adopted dad) would be in character for someone falling to the Dark Side. He may become an Inquisitor for Palpatine/Vader?

    Ahsoka is no Jedi. She even says so.
     
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    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......... She can say she isn't a Jedi but her kicking around the galaxy still kills Lukes story.
     
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    Correct. UPDATE: Incorrect. Filoni said no shape shifting apparently!
     
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    How so? There were many millions of Force Sensitives in Luke's life time.

    If Ahsoka is Jedi then so is Darth Vader.
     
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    Force Sensitives with no training, no experience, no weapons etc.... are nowhere near the same thing as Ahsoka.

    Ahsoka saying she isn't a Jedi is like Shia Labeouf saying he is no longer famous - you can claim it, but in every way that matters....... AND in terms of the problems it creates for hte story, it doesn't matter if Ahsoka is a Jedi or just a strong force user who knows how to use Lightsabers.
     
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    Personally I don't have as much of a problem of Ashoka surviving as I do with Kanan & Ezra. In those two case they have directly interacted with both Yoda & Obi-Wan so those two surviving would create problems for ESB. In Ashoka case I don't think Yoda or Obi-Wan no she is still alive (I haven't seen S3 so did Ezra tell Obi-Wan anything in Twn Suns?).
     
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    I agree, the story group has put themselves in a tricky situation, but they had to know that going in. I hope they resolve it in a way that is acceptable to most fans, and I think they will. I simply disagree that the only option is death.

    Here's what it appears you are looking at in this case:
    • They better not mess up Luke's story
    • Any Force-using character with any level of training that survives this show ruins the OT

    Here's what I'm looking at as indications of what may happen:
    • They better not mess up Luke's story (I'm i total agreement there)
    • Pablo Hidalgo has specifically stated that the story group is very aware of what Yoda and Obi Wan have said in the OT, and have no plans for making them liars. So we know this means that something will have to specifically happen to resolve the issue. Whether the solution will appease the fans is really going to be the test.
    • The show's main character is Ezra. This has been addressed multiple times in interviews with Filoni, etc. It's extremely rare for ANY show to kill off its main character. I seriously doubt a kids network from Disney would ever do such a thing. Killing Han is not even close to a comparison - Han was one of the main characters from the previous trilogy, and died in the first episode of the next trilogy, which is based entirely on the next generation of characters.
    • Ahsoka is Filoni's creation (and as you say, his pet). She's not dead, else there wouldn't be the speculation (Filoni would not keep bringing it up only to later say "no, she's actually just dead. We won't see her again"). Why bring her back just to kill her again? If killing her off within the Rebels show was planned, then Vader killing her in the previous season would likely be far more impactful than anything that can happen now.
    • Kanan is definitely the character most likely to die, if any. He is also the only one that in any way has been referred to as a Jedi in the series. But there ARE other ways to have him out of the main storyline of the OT.

    I fear that too many are looking at only one solution - death to all three - as the only acceptable solution, and will likely be let down because they watched the entire series with one conclusion expected. On the flip side, I would be just as frustrated for them to create a story where from episode 1 of the series it was obvious and inevitable for the main character(s) to be required to die for it to function properly.
     
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    I don't think it's impossible that Ahsoka and/or Kanan will die. Heck, maybe even Ezra, too. But this isn't Game of Thrones, guys. I don't expect The Red Wedding at the end of Season 4.

    Let's back up a bit:
    First, many claim that all of the Ghost crew has to die. The main reason for this is that we don't see them in any of the films (outside of the Ghost in Rogue One, Chopper, and a possible Hera easter Egg).

    That's just... not the case. The Rebel Alliance isn't as big as the Empire, but I'd imagine that we don't see many of the troopers, pilots, and officers of the Rebellion in the films. In fact, we rarely see the Alliance anyway- the action is usually focused on more solo ventures of the main characters. Plus, as stated earlier, we already have seen Chopper and the Ghost with a possible Hera reference- the odds of even seeing that much of the Ghost are probably pretty low to begin with, so I'd say it's not surprising we haven't seen more.

    Then, other arguments revolve around balance in the force. I find the idea of balance in the Force hinging on the simple number of Jedi vs Sith to be a little... well, simplistic. The Force is a pretty ethereal thing- I think it's more complex than that.

    Then, there's Yoda telling Luke he's the last of the Jedi. Well, Ahsoka isn't a Jedi, so this doesn't affect her at all. Then, it's possible Kanan and Ezra don't consider themselves Jedi by that time, too, much like Ahsoka.

    Or, they could pull a Dash Rendar and fake their deaths. Even if Yoda managed to sense them still, he may choose to honor their secret and go along with their ruse anyway.

    Point being- the writing is not nearly as on the wall as some people tend to think.
     
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    Writing— it's all about the writing.

    In short- This is sci-fi/fantasy, and the breadth of potentials and possibilities are vast- (not endless, mind you, but certainly VAST.)

    Thus I feel it's a little narrow to say there's only one way- (death for the aforementioned trio) -for the OT tale to remain untainted. There are plenty of possibilities.

    The thing that binds all of us together (*wink* other than 'The Force', that is), is the desire and demand for qualitative storytelling. If the folks sitting in the big chairs want the ongoing strong investment- (ie - cash) from the fandom of SW, they must be in for the long game– and that requires some excellent writing.

    I have faith they'll do a good job on this.

    Safe money is still on Kanan buying the farm though. –For sure.

    Ahsoka (I'm guessing) is going to transform into something less concerned with mortal deeds...which sounds a touch flaky at first, but– (again, with some sharp writing), it could be a splendid yarn.

    Ezra is a complete mystery for me. I really don't know what's going to arise in his near future. (As I've said before, despite such rumours being disproved, I *still* can't look at BDT without thinking of our "Space Aladdin".)

    I'll be sure to wait and see though.
     
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    For me, it is a good sign for the story of Luke (as the last remaining Jedi) that Rebels will end after a relatively short Season 4. It suggests that the Story Group might have found a satisfying end to the series. They do not seem intend to keep the story about the Ghost crew going.
     
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    First, I'd say Ezra is ONE of the main characters. Second, Disney has NEVER shied away from killing characters in their material made for children. If anything they have a reputatino for doing horrible things to their characters.

    You're right (this is why I don't like Filoni), unfortunately ts the corner they've painted themselves into. And saying Ezra and Ahsoka aren't Jedi is a weak sauce solution - they are Jedi.

    if they didn't want that kind of story, they shouldn't have included any Jedi in Rebels. Characters dying isn't an obviously or overtly negative thing.
     
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    Ashoka Palawan is listed as Jedi in SWGOH. They added grown up Ashoka (Fulcrum) yesterday and she is not Jedi.
     
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    No one ever dies in Star Wars



    ... except Qui-Gon Jinn


    ... and Shmi, Padme and Mace Windu


    ... and Obi-Wan


    ... and Yoda and Anakin


    ... and Han Solo


    Hmmm. ;)
     
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